Halal meat and the Muslim invasion
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The following comment was left in response to a series of articles written by former MMA contributor FourDinners of the UK. You will find the links to these articles at the bottom of this post. MMA does not take a position in this debate, beyond not understanding for certain what the issue really is. Quite frankly if the Muslims are killing animals in a more humane manner then I’m all for it, but I understand there is a broader issue here and I prefer to reserve further commentary, leaving it to the reader instead to share their opinions. Here’s the reader’s comment:
Dear Sir
I recently came across your article of 22 September 2010 entitled The Continuing Islamification of Britain, in which it states that Halal meat was being served in British restaurants and hospitals. It is a hundred times worse than that. Of our six leading supermarkets all but one sell only Halal chicken and lamb without informing customers. This is not hearsay – they have all confirmed to me personally that it is true and have said that they will not change their policy, and refuse to label the meat..This is blatant profiteering.
For the last few months I have been battling with our food regulator (DEFRA) with a view to banning it but have been blocked. There are approximately 2,000,000 Muslims in Britain, but Muslim slaughterhouses are providing enough meat for 62,000,000 people. I believe that, under Animal Welfare Regulations, this is illegal but DEFRA disagrees.
The European Union will do nothing but institute a new labelling regime, but that will take seven years to complete – longer than it takes to amend the American Constitution!
Our Minister of Agriculture has recently said that he is prepared to order food labelling but is unwilling to label it as Halal, but merely not-stunned. He is unwilling to ban sales on the open market.
I would like to bring this to the attention of the American public, because it may already be happening to them. It is the biggest step towards Islamification that Britain has seen. But our government refuses to do anything. All western governments seem to be petrified at upsetting Muslims, as witnessed by your government’s stance over the Cordoba Mosque in New York.
I copy below a letter I have sent to our Minister of Agriculture. He has not replied.
I should be extremely grateful if you could find space to publish this as it is a worldwide problem – New Zealand is totally Halal and Australia is going the same way. If you do publish could you please send me a link?
Yours sincerely
Daniel Bratchell
4 April 2011
The Minister of Agriculture
House of Commons
London SW!A 0AA
Dear Mr Paice
Halal meat
You are reported in the Daily Telegraph that you are in favour of labelling halal and kosher meat but would not use those words because they are religious and that would cause problems. What is wrong with using the correct definition? Instead you propose using non-stunned. Halal meat is so called because a Muslim prayer is said at the point of slaughter. I presume it is the same with kosher meat. Labelling it as non-stunned is no protection to the public whatsoever. We do not want to eat halal meat any more than we would want our children to be blessed by an Islamic imam. It is known that Members of Parliament also do not want to eat this meat, having instructed the Catering Committee not to supply it in their restaurants. Why is the public not afforded the same rights? I refuse to eat halal meat and am having to make a fifteen mile round trip once a month to buy my meat from the only supermarket which guarantees not to sell Halal meat. I am retired and can spare the time for that but families cannot.
Having said that, labelling is not the answer. The practice of selling meat slaughtered in a Muslim/Jewish slaughterhouse on the open market should be banned completely. Merely labelling it will not take it off the market as supermarkets will continue to sell it. There will be no market loss to them as customers will have no choice to buy elsewhere. Muslims and Jews are granted exemption from Animal Welfare Regulations “for the food of Muslims/Jews“. I believe that slaughtering for the food of sixty million people does not comply with those regulations but DEFRA refuses to accept that it is illegal. Consumer Direct told me that it is an offence to omit giving customers information which would affect their decision to purchase. But Trading Standards have told me that the Food Safety Act takes precedence and that, if the Secretary of State has not specified labelling, no offence has been committed. I disagree but I cannot afford counsel’s opinion to resolve it. In my opinion banning sale on the open market is the only solution.
I think you have to take the bull (pardon the pun) by the horns and risk the wrath of Muslims and Jews by restricting their slaughter to their own food.
Jews do not impinge on our lives very much but Muslims are more and more affecting our British way of life. Islam is an aggressive religion which is gradually taking over Britain with its constant demands for dispensations, which I need not list. There are now over one hundred Sharia courts in existence taking over from British justice. The present volume of halal meat on the market, which sixty million non-Muslims are obliged to eat, is another step, and probably the biggest, towards the total domination of Islam.
The banning of the sale of halal meat on the open market will not affect Muslims’ rights to religious slaughter and cannot therefore be construed as discrimination. It would instead be the first time that Muslims have an indication that they cannot continually dictate their terms.
There will obviously be problems with this – a Jewish spokesman has already introduced the Nazi connotation that labelling will move the yellow star from their breasts to their food. But I believe it has to be done.
To indicate how much trouble I have taken over this and to give you more facts I enclose a copy of a letter I have sent to my MP. He declined to provide any help.
Yours sincerely
Daniel Bratchell
Cc Prime Minister
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Daniel Bratchell is absolutely right. why should the values of one religion be forced onto ALL others?
It is a sad fact today his post is being branded with “racism” when it is right and proper. What is it that some people don’t get?
You do what you like but you do not have the right to force others to do the same. Yes, its that simple. LIVE AND LET LIVE.
Commercially the normal butchers are being put out of business daily as educational authorities and government bodies blindly go on without proper labelling. This cannot be right for any sane thinking person.
Yoir way of life took stole and enslave many of this earth you people owe!!!!!!
people shouldnt be racist muslims have rights and need to eat also good on stores for selling halla keep it coming
Apart from the fact that halal slaughter is cruel I am not demanding that Muslims should be deprived of halal meat. What I am demanding is that we are not forced to eat meat which has been slaughterd in accordance with rituals of an alien religion.
Some branches of supermarkets in areas with large populations of Muslims sell meat which is claerly labelled as halal. As an indigenous Briton I want the same rights.
British Trading Standards Officers have a duty to ensure that meat labelled as halal is genuine. Non-Muslims do not have the same protection.
people shouldnt be so racist muslims have rights and have to eat also so good on stores for selling halal
One assumption has been made in these previous comments posted: That people concerned by the introduction of halal meat into the UK food market, condone slavery and feeding dead cats to cows. I think that is quite a substantial error as you now seem to have strayed from the pooint of concern. From my understanding, from research into animal law as a zoology student, The UK Slaughter law exempts jewish and muslim slaughter on gtrounds of their rights to identify themselves as a race/religion. Therefore people must be notified so as to have the choice when eating halal or non-halal meat as the case is often not. This raises concerns for people who should have the right to identify themselves as people who eat meat from animals stunned before slaughtered, a measure introduced in response to immense pressure from the british public concerned for the unnecessary suffering of animals. The concern for halal meat is not for those who respect thair livestock and ensure the highest standards of slaughter but for the growth of an industry that is developing ways of mass producing halal meat and the independent reports of fear suffered by animals forced into rotary casts and suchlike as well as the uncertain immediate loss of consciousness when the animal’s throat is cut, especially for large animals. I have little confidence that a cut to the throat cause kicking ‘reflexes’ when the spinal cord is left intact. I don’t think it is racist to have a moral concern for suffering of animals and also to demand inquests (in a reasonable and effective manner without causing offence and letting you emotions get the better of you, as this has the effect of deflecting away from the cause of concern: which should be the animals NOT our own insecurrities) into the halal meat standards and supply (as with any issue whether it be unlawful slaughtering of an animal at regular abitoires)in order to secure the public’s confidence in law enforcement and the protection of their identity. Loss of confidence may lead people to believe that the exemptions to halal slaughter which are effectively (according to certain evidence) exemptions to the unnecessary suffering of animals,are indeed not so much an issue of being politically correct but an effort to support a multi billion global industry in a country which has a growing muslim population, at the expense of non-muslim beliefs, leading to the loss of identity of the beholders. I very much doubt any arabian country would be as generous and willing in allowing a different race exemption of its laws (however I await further knowleedge). I don’t believe halal meat should be abolished, I believe muslims have EQUAL right in what meat they should eat therefore non-muslim children must be notified when they are served halal meat as it is just as much their right to meat under UK law for non-muslims. It is even more concerning to me that children who are of an age when they are unable to understand the somewhat controversial issues surrounding halal meat and the UK law, nevermind the processes of meat production, slaughter and the physiology, behaviour and individuality animals capable of fear and suffering. This in one sense is a form of indroctination, with a complete disregard for children’s freedom of choice, which should be guided by parents who may too be left in the dark. However it is all speculation, the most important thing is that you take the appropriate actions, if not apparently afforded by the law, to protect your own identity. I also urge people to take responsibility for their comments,and be aware of how others may interpret them by ensuring that you have sat on the fence and analysed both sides of the arguments before making a judgement. Hope this view helps. Thank you
Thank you for that very clear confirmation of what I said in my letter. Most people see it as a racist issue which it is not.
Please take a look at the following link. It will open up your minds:
http://www.islamic-laws.com/unhealthy_nonhalal.htm
It’s not about an Islamic invasion. What a foolish idea. Halal meat is not just blessed meat. It is the following:
1. Meat from an herbivorous animal that feels NO pain (must be cut on the left side of the neck to cut left cerebral artery immediately) to cut off pain nerves.
2. Meat that contains minimal/No toxicities (animals are kept well-fed & happy).
3. Meat that is drained of ALL toxicities (if it has any).
The purpose of halal meat is to rear, hydrate, & feed animals in an ethical manner so that they feel no distress, which minimizes build-up of toxicities (negative energy) in them. So that when we eat them, only positive energy is incorporated in us. Our bodies’ cells & tissues (protein-muscle, carbohydrates-entire body, especially brain, fat-body & brain) are made up of what we eat. The purer the food we eat, the “purer” we are when it comes to our thoughts, physiology, and personality.
Yes it may sound silly to some but studies have shown that people who eat pork (an exceptionally filthy animal that eats excrement) start to exhibit pig-like mannerisms. How awful! Pigs are essentially made up of filth that humans may incorporate into their bodies. That is why it is forbidden in Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.
Even the Taino society hunt animals based on a concept that parallels the halal concept. I met a gentleman from a Taino tribe (pursuing an internship following his undergraduate degree on the East coast of the U.S.) who used to hunt only at mid-day with his grandfather years ago; because mid-day has the highest temperatures and when chasing a deer, it tires fastest at that time. At times the animal would tire so fast, this gentleman (then a younger boy) would literally be able to stand next to the deer. They then had to slaughter the animal with a sharp knife, on the left side of the neck, in a diagonal direction. The gentleman just never knew why it had to be the left side or diagonal direction. All he was told by his grandfather was that this is the best way for the animal. This is the right way.
Anyway, that is my bit of information I wish to humbly spread. I am muslim but I’m not trying to promote an Islamic invasion (I support France’s decision to ban religious attire, especially face veils. A country has the right to preserve its cultural integrity and security, so its laws should be respected…but that’s another day’s discussion). I’m trying to create harmony. Bless.
Good morning Jess.
I appreciate that you are a devout Muslim but the Koran was written 1300 years ago when a farmer had maybe a few animals which he grazed (his only means of feeding them) in open fields. Today there are such large populations to feed that farmers inevitably have to supplement grass with manufactured feed to promote faster growth and better feed.
The fact that the animal is bled is not to rid it of toxins but to produce more palatable meat. A piece of raw meat on a plate still exudes blood – one cannot remove all the blood.
As far as pigs are concerned it is nonsense to suggest that they eat excrement. Apart from that have you never seen excrement from cows and sheep in a field where they are grazing? Nobody follows the animals around to sanctify the ground.
In Britain we are being subjected to Islamic principles against our will by having to eat Halal meat. To my mind that is an invasion
As far as animal welfare is concerned there may have been experiments to show that no pain messages are exhibited but that also applies to human beings for a short while after an injury. But animals also have feelings and videos show that they know what is about to happen to them. My cousin has been told by a Christian slaughterman that his slaughterhouse has been taken over by Muslims are conditions there now are disgusting. I suggest you look at the following link.
http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/22732-bnp-release-halal-slaughter-videonot-for-the-squeemish/
You say that “A country has the right to preserve its cultural integrity and security”. Our country does not approve of Halal slaughter – why should we accept it?
em so was the bible but dosnt stop people following that
The bible was written well before the Koran but Christians have moved on a few thousand years but Muslims haven’t.
Let explain what naturally manufactured meat is. Take for instance the cow, only eat grain and that’s it, it does not and shouldn’t eat any flesh, that goes for lamb also. The meat also shouldn’t be subjected to injections of female hormones to satisfy demand and supply and this is not a USA thing this is worldwide! Also diseased meats whether from cows, chickens, turkeys etc shouldn’t be placed on the market in those supermarkets to eat, yet they do. I am going to make a documentary on this because I have the footage and will show you how disgusting they prepare the meats and sale it to you for you to digust. Here in the USA, espcially African descent people are dying at young ages from colon cancer because they cosume to much meat and diseased meat!
I myself 45 in great condition I don’t eat red meat even halal red meat because I don’t want it in my body. Lamb some times I may eat because it’s easier to digest. Now Halal meat from a cow, though I don’t eat it, it’s for my personal reason but it’s still good to eat and provide certain vitamins.
I am basically a fish and chicken type of guy and my meats must be Halal. Now I agree that there should be Muslim, Jewish, Organic and even regular meat sold and have a venue for all and not one taking over. More and more people are catching on to the Halal and Organic and soon regular diseased meat will not be popular that’s just the facts, because people are seeing it’s not healthy. Now if one would like to keep eating this nasty, mystery meat from regular supermarkets, fast food places go right ahead and kill yourself, that’s your choice. At the same time don’t sit here and think Muslims and Jews or Organic farms should be subjected to diseased meats. There’s a book called FAST FOOD NATION get that and you will see. It is shocking to me that people are up in arms for this diseased food without any knowledge of what they are talking about and screaming off with emotions, it’s baffling!
I will make a documentry about this and will post this article and let people see exactly what is going on.
Peace
Rahim
Thanks for your comments Rahim, why don’t you write an article and we will post here at MadMikesAmerica. We would be keen to look at your work.
Peace and blessings Holte Ender to you and your entire family and I hope you are in very good health and thank you for such a positive responsive, in my most humble manner thank you.
Yes that’s a good idea so people could see what Halal really is, I just need to do one last peace being I have a live farm where I live in New York City I can get some real live footage with my own camcorder and show people exactly what I mean. I will basically say some of the same stuff I have already said and give some other tunes to the article also such as the bad meat/Haram meat that is displayed at our stores and I already have that footage.
Once again thank you for the positive response.
Peace be upon you.
Rahim
Peace and blessings on you and yours too Rahim. We would like to see the video when you have taken it. If at all possible we will publish it.
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Many thanks
Ok, Holte I will do that, and I will put a video together that shows Halal and Haram meats as I described in my article along with the last piece of video I need to get to complete having all the video info as well as text info into the article and will pass it along.
This is how factual and truthful knowledge is spread and people can learn on a positive level, thanks once again.
Peace
Rahim
Rahim welcome to MMA! We are looking forward to seeing the video and publishing your article. I agree that people need to be informed.
Peace and blessings to you Michael and to your whole entire family and may they stay safe.
Yes, I will do that and only bring the truth and people can check it out for themselves. I like to use imperial data that is critically analyzed from factual and correct sources.
Thank you for welcoming me to the site much appreciated.
Peace to everyone.
Well let me explain something about Halal meats and manufacture. Before I go into this I must say some of you are very ignorant and you are moved with emotions for Britian has invaded many places, such as Africa and have made people slaves etc, and I can go on. That was for the ones who call this AN INVASION!
Turning an animal east and blessing it makes this Halal? LOL Where do you people find this nonsense? I am a Muslim so let me break it down.
In the Qur’an it tells the Muslim what they should eat and what not to eat, especially pork we do not touch just as Christians in their Bible Lev. Chapter 11 verse 7 tellse them not to eat pork and in other places. Muslims also can’t eat the mystery meats sold in regular supermarkets, because they are what is called Haram meats, NOT PERMISSIBLE TO EAT from the Qur’an.
There is a total difference between Halal meat and Haram meat. Muslim meats are not only slaughtered with a blessing but the live stock is grown NATURALLY! The Haram meats in stores that are non-Halal, are not GROWN NATURALLY! Let me explain. The meats that are brought up on farms, worldwide, say for instance, a cows meat in a regular farm is done improperly and hazzardous to human’s health and FDA OR what ever law doesn’t tell you this.
The cow on regular farms are fed dead cats and dogs, and injected with female hormones to help them grow faster, like a cow or chicken or turkey on steroids! They take the dead cats and dogs from kennels take them to a plant and use huge grinders to chop them up. Then that is mixed into the cows, chickens, turkeys etc feed to stretch it out and save money yet endangering human’s life. How do you think cows get MAD COW DISEASE? Cows don’t consume flesh naturally, so they are basically fooling the cow by mixing it into their feed. So what you get from regular meat markets is POISON! Since some of you love youtube maybe you need to look up DEAD CATS AND DOGS PROCESSED IN ANIMALS FOOD, if you think Muslims slaughtering their meats is bad wait until you see those vids and see the filth you consume and digest and sitting here mad for no reason over Halal meat!
If you want to eat unhealthy food by all means do so but you’re going to be the one with colon cancer, worms deep in your system etc. I have documented chicken in a regular store and have seen damage to the skin and that leaks into the meat and they sell it here in America and people buy it and put it in their system.
So now you know the difference between Halal meats and Haram meats and it’s not just about blessing the animals it’s about how they are raised. Organic is on the rise also, so you have Muslim Halal farms, Jewish Kosher farms and Organic Meat etc farms. So are some of you going to go ballistic on Organic farms also?
So my question is if there were two cups of water offered to you, one clear and purified opposed to the other cup being muddy and dirty which cup of water would you drink!
Peace
Rahim.
P.s. if anyone has questions for me just reply and I will answer them.
Your post seems to be total propaganda. I will not trouble to address your claims one by one, but the point about natural feeding is nonsence. In Britain Muslim slaughterhouses are providing enough meat to feed over sixty million people – all those animals are fed in the same commercial way which may include specially prepared animal feed. Claiming that that includes dead dogs and cats is poppycock.
Well sir, I live in THE USA if you read my article as you claim you did, and again I will have on film they eat natural, so do the organic places and Kosher farms AGAIN IN THE USA! I don’t know what they are doing in the UK, but I know what they are doing here because I live here and have seen some for myself and will have video feed of some. What I am saying is not poppyganda! Yeah I called it POPPYGANDA! I HAVE video feed on cats and dogs being planted into the feed on regular farms, again get the book FAST FOOD NATION it talks about this whole ordeal with the meats in America. Now let me ask you, can you prove that in the UK the Muslims are using animals in their feed?
“I HAVE video feed on cats and dogs being planted into the feed on regular farms”
Can you tell me how many farms produce their own manufactured feed? And have you any evidence that commercial manufacturers use animal products in their feed? They presumably are regulated by the FDA.
I repeat that in Britain, Muslim slaughterhouses are feeding sixty million people and therefore are buying their animals from commercial farmers. There are not enough organic and specialist farmers to provide the “pure” animals that you speak of.
And I said HERE IN THE USA not Britain, I don’t know how they are doing it out in Britain but in the USA the feed is NATURAL GRASS what the cows suppose to eat. Dealing with chickens and turkeys they don’t feed them crap nor get their animals from other Haram farms that makes absolutely no sense. YOu have proof that the Muslims are getting it from them? Saying they feed over 60 million is not proof enough and how many people are in Britain? Because if the Muslims are getting their cows or animals from Haram farmers it’s not even halal! What you think it’s only one Muslim farm in Britain and that one can’t possibly support 60 million meat eaters? So basically you’re saying IT’S THE CHANG OF HANDS FROM HARAM TO HALAL WHICH IS REALLY HARAM (Meats that is prohibited for Muslims to eat). Plus if you’re not a Muslim then go to the regular store and get your meat, simple!
We seem to be arguing on different planes here. Some clarification is needed. You seem to be combining the tenets of Halal and Organic to produce your own version of Halal. Your vision of animals grazing on grass in an idyllic setting can only be achieved by a few adherents, in the same way that Hamish gather in a group. I have found only one reference to the type of feed that Halal requires and that is that it must not contain animal by-products. The Halal Food Authority in Britain merely quotes from the Koran “Eat of what is in the earth lawful and wholesome”.
I believe that animal products and antibiotics are no longer allowed in animal feed. But it does contain soya and probably very little grass, if any. And manufactured feed I would suggest is used by the vast majority of farmers in America and Britain
As far as your remarks about Britain are concerned the total population is a little over sixty million, of whom two or three million are Muslim. Five out of our six supermarkets sell only Halal lamb and chicken (apart from a small selection of specialist brands). That means that Muslim slaughterers are buying animals fed with manufactured feed. The Koran obviously could not ban manufactured feed therefore the animals cannot be considered to be Haram. It is your personal definition of Haram not the Koran’s.
My nearest “regular store” is a round trip of two or three miles, and it sells only Halal lamb and chicken. I now have to make a round trip of fifteen miles to buy my meat.
I deal with the Qur’an, I am Muslim you telling me it’s my own personal judgment is mere rhetoric at this time. Have you read the Qur’an? The version of Halal is from the Qur’an and it’s quite clear!
You do not answer my questions. Please tell me where in the Koran I can find your definition of Halal.
LOL, Shit D…what did you do now?….
Won’t eat pork eh? In China they eat everything with its back to the sun! they also have enough economic clout to finance the whole goddammit U.S.A.!
In Africa they eat the flies off of each others faces, in Haiti, some folks are so poor, eat clay pancakes to feel full.
I have a problem with religions that restrict what one may eat! In this modern age, this is simply bull Shiite! If Muslims, Jews, want to live among us ‘heathens’ and profit from our presence, let them keep their religious, and their often not very economical differences to themselves. Did they come here, in poverty to share our relative wealth, or did they come among us to convert, teach, pervert us?
I’ll never wear a ha-bib, for example, no matter what the invaders of my culture demand. Why eat their meat? We did fine before they came, they must adjust to us, not we to them?
You know, 4D, I don’t normally get involved in these culture wars because I seriously doubt that any culture is any longer pure. If that is what this is about then I shall also leave it alone. If it is a question of which is more humane, that would be another thing but I am not sure either of them would be very pretty. While I know where beef comes from I try not to think about the process. I would just as soon think that my beef magically appears in cellophane wrapped packages at the grocery stores.
4D I truly respect your feelings toward the Muslims because I don’t live in your situation. But, personally I think you should spend less energy on disliking them as a group.
Lisa has thought it through dp….Lisa has a brain….have you?….not meant as an insult babe…just stop and think eh?
If you don’t ‘live it’ how can you think that way?….Over here in England we are ‘living it’….it isn’t pretty so either research it or stay quiet. Fair enough?
Watch the video’s….they are horrible but at least they support the reason many hate ‘halal’ and ‘kosher’…
greenlight? dp?…watch the videos before you spout eh?…all I ask
I’ve just watched the vids again…WATCH THE VIDS before you comment.
If this is Halal then Muslims are scum.
…If this is Kosher then so are Jews.
Not racist…not vegetarian…just human…and a damn sight more human than anyone who agrees with Halal or Kosher.
Bastards.
I cannot bring myself to watch the videos. However, I know you’re an animal lover so I will take your word.
Muslims claim that any movement of the animal after its throat is cut is purely reflex action from the spine. But I have seen a video which shows a cow struggling to its feet after being tipped onto the floor,with its throat in tatters trying to escape through a door.
oh dear….I am suspecting I’m actually right….this may be a worry…;-)
greenlight & dp : grow up. This isn’t about race or even religion. This is about a culture invading another culture and insisting on it’s rights above the rights of the indigenous culture.
Any further doubts?…type in ‘halal slaughter’ into Youtube and tell me it’s cool with you.
I have just finished doing some rather extensive research on this process. Holte is right. They don’t stun the animals, they simply cut their throats and let them bleed to death. They then babble some religious nonsense over them. How is this more humane than stunning them first? Well, as I understand it they do seem to have a great respect for the animals, having learned the art of a clean and merciful kill. So, once again I have no opinion until I learn more.
Traditional slaughtering of animals, so that meat can be Halal, means the animal is alive, unstunned, and has it’s throat cut. To my knowledge, and like the author of this post, it is limited, no butchers in Britain slaughter animals without them being stunned. No Muslim butcher will touch pigs and considering pork chops, pork roasts, pork pies, sausage, and hams make up a reasonable chunk of the British diet, it makes light of the argument that all meat is Halal.
Islamic slaughter regulations say that animals may be stunned or not and would still be Halal. The more radical Muslims claim that the animals must not be stunned. Undoubtedly many animals in Britain are not stunned. A friend of mine was told by a slaughterman that his slaughterhouse was taken over by Muslims and the treatment of animals became horrendously cruel.
The halal slaughtered animal must face Mecca when being slaughtered, so I hear. If so, remember the world is round, not flat so they are praying to outer space! Let’s face it, religious whackos are taking over the world and it’s not just Islam. Peace be with you, if that’s at all possible.
One of the worries of Islamic authorities in Britain is that slaughterhouses are so noisy that the animal cannot hear the prayer being said as its throat is cut.
Hey Mike, I tend to agree with this post. Why should strictly Islamic butchers have the “bid” to provide all of the meat for a particular country in order to please a small percentage of the population? In our grocery stores, selections are labeled, but the majority of meat provided for sale is normal not Halal or Kosher. There are Halal only grocery stores too… so why would we need all Halal or all Kosher products provided in all stores or restaurants? I read a similar article about the Islamification of Europe and the Muslims were forcing the school system to provide only Halal meat. Back when I was growing up, if your parents wanted you to eat only Kosher, they sent you to Jewish Day school or to Public Schools with a packed lunch. Why can’t they eat a packed lunch from home that is halal? Why is it that everyone must eat the way they do? Basically Britain is allowing the Muslims (a small percentage of the population) to dictate eating habits to the greater majority… this is WRONG. (I don’t exactly agree with the Kosher way of butchering either…) What can be done about this if Britain’s own leaders won’t address it for fear of reprisal from these religious zealots. They are letting the rule of law be taken over by fundamentalists. UGH!!!
Many schools and hospitals in Britain are serving only Halal meat because they don’t have to bother about segregating the two varieties. Some schools have even asked parents not to use ham or pork in packed lunches. The whole thing is ludicrous.
With all due respect, this may be one of the most racist articles I’ve seen cross the pages of MMA. This isn’t meant to offend; let me explain my thought process, as I’m not quite clear on the central concern with consuming Halal meat. Maybe I’m just not “getting it.”
If it is the welfare of the animals involved, then the labeling of the meat as “non-stunned” should be a first step. From what I’ve read about halal meat, proper treatment of the animals is central to the process.
If it is the safety of the meat…well, it sounds like that’s addressed through existing regulations.
Is it the mere blessing of the meat? I’m not sure that I really care whether my meat has been blessed or sworn at or called a wh*re before it crosses my plate, so long as the meat is safe and the animals have been treated with a reasonable amount of respect in their lives and deaths.
It sounds like the real concern is with the resources being channeled to Muslim and Jewish companies in the production of meat. Based on my recent glimpses into corporate culture, I would be so bold as to argue that most business practices in the present day are out of alignment with the values of general society–or, at least, this is what I believe so long as I continue to grasp onto the belief that all of mankind can’t possibly be so ruthless, heartless and cruel.
There must be reasons that Halal meat has become so popular for grocery stores, if it has in fact done so–and I suspect it has to do with nothing more than profit margins. If Muslims or Jews can offer meat at competitive prices, more power to them. I would support some kind of intervention if it could be shown that their profits are being channeled into illegal activity, but if it’s simply a matter of the religion of those running the business…well, let the market forces fall where they may.
I totally agree with greenlight. If the animals are handled more humanely in a halal or kosher butcher shop, good for them, it should be like that in every slaughterhouse. If the issue is a “blessing” then grow up, words spoken over a deceased animal have no bearing on the meat in any way, shape or form. If the issue is contracts and how they were obtained, then there may be a problem. I think its just another excuse for racism. Lisa needs to get over it.
I totally concur with greenlight. Also on the rise is Organic meats, and food, from eggs to the meat who are not Muslim and their prices are quite exspensive but you pay more to eat healthy or you pay less to eat unhealthy to lead one’s self to the grave early!.
Peace
Rahim
This has nothing to do with racism. It’s about the fact that Islam is taking over in Britain. I will be honest and say that I do not like the Islamic religion, any more than some people do not like the Catholic religion or the Jewish religion, but again that is not racist – it’s an honest opinion.
You say that you don’t care what prayer is said over the meat on your plate. I agree that it doesn’t affect the taste of the meat. So why are Muslims adamant that meat must be slaughtered ritually to prevent it being Haram – unclean? That rule was made twelve hundred years ago. No doubt other religions used similar practices but they have grown out of it in light of modern methods.
Market forces are not playing a part in this – customers are the market but they have no say in the matter as the supermarkets have it all tied up. The supermarkets are purely profit driven, at the expense of sixty million non-Muslims.
Daniel Bratchell makes very valid points, and if only Muslims can be employed in the Halal process, it means a loss of employment for all others, Is that fair?
Don’t get me wrong I am not against Halal for the Muslim’s, only against it is being forced onto all others, certainly I wouldn’t eat it. And its expanding, we now have Halal loans Halal Bread and so on, it just isn’t right, in my opinion this is the very reason a lot of people are turning away from the big supermarkets, and certainly Halal restaurants keep closing down around where I live, still they fail to realise that the majority of people are not in favour of this being forced onto them, some dumb advisers in the background advising them on this I suspect.
Clearly DEFRA and the politicians understand nothing of democracy as demonstrated by their actions of only catering for a one single minority without any consideration for the majority.
Good points indeed. Thanks for stopping by.