Crazy Ron Paul calls Obama an assassin
Presidential candidate and Progressive favorite son Ron Paul, says the late al Qaeda chief Anwar al-Awlaki didn’t kill anyone, pretty much implying he was a pretty good guy.
Did Ron Paul not know the terrorist leader was the most wanted after bin Laden, and was responsible for planning a number of well documented attacks, most of them prevented, against the citizens of the United States?
The intelligence community has been collecting information on the American born al-Awlaki for years, when it was discovered that he harbored the 9/11 terrorists.
Fortunately for America and the world he was killed shortly after 3AM, in Yemen, by a U.S. drone. Ron Paul, however, was defending the terrorist, and claiming that the American people should question this action as there was insufficient evidence against al-Awlaki and since he was a U.S. citizen he should be given a trial. Are they all crazy in Texas?
The Oval Office pretender went on to say that President Barack Obama was sanctioning assassination and no one should be celebrating the death of the al Qaeda boss.
While I don’t generally celebrate death, I do in this case, because when the drone stopped al-Awlaki’s evil black heart potentially thousands of innocents would be granted a reprieve from his well documented murderous intentions.
As for Texas lunatic Ron Paul, what with recent events in Yemen, al Qaeda clearly has an opening. Given his obvious sympathy for the terrorist organization perhaps he should submit an application. They do have a reputation for recruiting crazies.
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I can’t believe this is still around
They do have a reputation for recruiting crazies, MadMike.
Obama is an assassin even if ron Paul is nuts it does not change facts…OBAMA has become a psychopathic oligarchy murder of the constitution as well as an American citizen…as a liberal i have got to now conclude that in fact Obama is now a certifiable fascist and war criminal…..He is now the enemy of the people. ALL PEOPLE….
The first black fascist zionist president in American history.
Young man you do have a clue as to what that of what you speak. Go home and tell your momma she is calling you.
It’s nice to know big words–it’s better if you know how to use them correctly in a sentence.
What an idiot. So stupid I think I can call him “spam.”
I am tickled to death that this scumbag is dead. He was a murderer who was responsible for any number of past actual and attempted terrorist attacks against the United States. If left to his own devices and those of al Qaeda he may have succeeded in killing millions of innocent people. The thought that he could possibly have been extradited and tried in a U.S. court just doesn’t make a lot of practical sense. It would never have happened. Some people just need killing for the sake of the common good.
When Paul starts making sense to me, it means I will need to move up from weed to heroin for a better high. It’s depressing when I agree with these idiots. I agree with him as far as the Constitution, we can’t just abide by it when it suits us and throw it away when it doesn’t. Republican pres or dem I care not one whit who is usurping it. That being said, just how many number 2s are left now, I’d like to know seriously.
Now I am going off into the corner, to crawl up into the fetal position and babble for a while.
Jess, this isn’t like we shot some guy down in his back yard. Citizenship is a bit more than just being born in the right place. See my response to Paul.
I agree he was a bad man, no quarrel there, but still an American president should not have carte blanche to go into other countries and get to killing people. I don’t care who they are , no one deserves to die that way. It is just so very tempting for that next president to come along, widen those ever widening powers. Who is next to go on the suspected terrorist list? Will it be me, because I am a DFH anti war protester that has been popped more than once for protesting various things? I’m not saying I am on that list right now, might be, might not be, I have no way of knowing. I’m thinking of myself, perhaps in a selfish shallow way, but the question remains who gets to decide who is the next boogeyman.
Remember when commander cuckoo bananas was in office and those of us on the left, protesting the Iraq adventure were traitors and should be penned in, so the beautiful minds wouldn’t be disturbed by the sight of us. What scares me, not enough to stop my activism by the way, really puts the fear of Joe Pesci into me, is that next prez coming along and deciding hey you’re it because he or she has these ever growing powers under our homeland security apparatus and the Patriot act. Who is to stop that person from doing the same thing right here in country when they decide to. Scary times and yes I do think about that stuff, a lot.
Again Jess, remember where he was when he got killed. It was in the suburbs of America but in an Al Qaeda stronghold in Yemen. Not many beat cops there.
Right, I know this and that is the scary thing I get to thinking about, could it happen here. Does that make sense, nope probably not but there you have it.
This isn’t the first time this man has been killed, back in 2009 our government said they killed him. Ron Paul’s point was, that as an American, he has the right of DUE PROCESS, Innocent UNTIL PROVEN guilty in a court of law. You must have forgotten that we are a nation of LAWS, and actions like these only breed resentment and are used as a great recruitment tool by those that would wish us harm. Not much motivation to recruit if these people are tried, in public, within our justice system. Maybe some are set free due to lack of evidence and maybe a jury of 12 convicts a few. The point being that if we respect our own LAWS and give those who try to harm us their day in court most hatred towards America would die off. No one will ever say, “Hey, that America, they arrest and try these people in just courts with all available evidence, broadcast throughout the world. It’s a fair and just system, lets go attack them.”
But instead you support our nation acting in the same way as its enemies, like barbarians. The only way to “win” a war on terror is to take the moral high ground and try these people in courts of law. Like the 1946 Nuremberg trials against the Nazis. It’s a good thing you are an ex-cop, since your attitude to our Constitution only shows that you were a shitty officer of the law.
Paul, ordinarily I would not agree with you more and Mike and I have battle over this very issue time and again on these very pages. However, in this case there are more to the circumstances than a simple assassination as the post implies. Anwar al-Awlaki falls into the same category with Osama and left America to conduct terrorist activities from Yemen years ago. He position with the Yemen Al Qaeda was planning, recruiting and giving spiritual support to the terrorist much the same as Osama did to the 9/11 hijackers. There was direct evidence of his communication with Nidal Malik Hasan just days before the Fort Hood Massacre which touted the radical Islamic agenda. There is ample evidence from numerous intelligence sources that he had become heavily involved in the terrorist war against America.
Does he, like any American citizen deserve the right to due process. Absolutely. Probably the same rights that Charles Whitman had when he was atop the tower in Austin, Texas. I suspect that, like any fugitive, Anwar al-Awlaki could have walked into any foreign embassy and surrendered and he would have been given due process, at least of a sort. The problem was that he chose to remain at large in an area controlled by Al Qaeda and, according to intelligence reports, continued to assist in planning attacks against the United States and its citizens. I take no pleasure in the death of another human and I do not believe in capital punishment but logic dictates that as long as he is continuing to conduct anti American activities in the confines of terrorists cells he does so at his own risk. I would have been the first in line to stand up for his 5th and 6th Amendment rights to a fair trial in this country as soon as he was in custody and not attempting to harm American citizens. But, it is hard to read a man his rights when he is shooting at you, and even harder to ensure his rights when he is among and assisting the enemy in a hostile environment.
I am not proud of what happened to him and I am not cheering about it. But this wasn’t some innocent kid that wandered aimlessly into a dangerous environment. He put himself there and was part of the reason the environment was dangerous.
Paul, I can’t argue with you, either. Somehow, our society has morphed into a guilty and proven innocent society. And, as always, I agree with Jess that we can’t throw away the constitution when it’s convenient. That also applies to non-citizens also.
The Innocence Project has released many, many convicts (I think at least 17) who turned out to be innocent. I’m sure there were many more. That’s on all of us, Paul.
From http://drugwarfacts.org/, “Today, 1 in 15 African-American children and 1 in 42 Latino children have a parent in prison, compared to 1 in 111 white children.49 In some areas, a large majority of African-American men – 55 percent in Chicago, for example 50 – are labeled felons for life, and, as a result, may be prevented from voting and accessing public housing, student loans and other public assistance.”
I’ve been re-schooled by Mike and lazersedge how notoriously unreliable (or possibly racist) witnesses are. And, I can assure you that both of these men were not “shitty cops.” That statement is just as bad as assuming someone is guilty before proven innocent. These are two men you do not know and you are, in legalese, “assuming evidence not based in fact.”
Civility is critical to a fair justice system. Too many people are convicted by media before they ever stand trial.
I was staunchly against Abu-Ghraib, etc. I am anti-torture and anti-death penalty. America must take the moral high ground. Our failure to observe due process does not meet that standard.
What Paul actually meant, I don’t know. My objections to Ron Paul have more to do with his overall political ideology. I don’t, and will never, agree with his political perspective.
You don’t have to agree and I don’t have to agree with you. But we should be better than hurling invectives. It’s unproductive.
Keep in mind, were this individual a typical a typical criminal criminal. or domestic terrorist in this country believed to be plotting crimes against the citizens against this country he would be hunted down and brought to justice and forced to stand trial as has other on similar situations, i.e., Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, et.al. But he is not, he is in an enemy stronghold in Yemen where he can operate with impunity and no interference or fear of law enforcement intervention. As I said previously, he has had numerous opportunities to approach authorities, Swiss, German, or others and request a trial but has not. While in this country he freely expressed his views against America as was his right which in itself may have led to the death of American citizens. While others have been prosecuted criminally and civilly for this in this country he chose to flee outside the country’s jurisdiction and hide among terrorist groups known to be hostile toward us. That was his choice. Benedict Arnold make his choices also. Just because you have had the luxury of being born in this country does not give the privilege to aid in the planning of killing our citizens. I am a progressive and a liberal and would have been the first to have read him his right rights under the U. S. Constitution given the opportunity. But it is hard to do so with a gun pointed at you.
Point taken, my friend. Looks like I shot off my keyboard before thinking.
He’s a nutter and why anyone supports him escapes me, but he does have his constituency, tea baggers and progressives. Some of them are the same if you ask me.