Ron Paul Supports Secession

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Crazy Ron Paul, the whack-a-doodle who has managed to attract a couple of million like minded followers, has now decided, in his less than infinite wisdom, that those disenchanted with the election should secede from the union because, well, that’s their right.  Personally speaking I think those who want to give up their American citizenship and form a more perfect union elsewhere, Somalia perhaps, should be allowed, nay, encouraged to do so.

First, voters in 20 states reacted to President Obama’s re-election by signing petitions to secede from the union. Then all 50 states got on board. Now, it’s Ron Paul’s turn to trumpet the notion of breaking away, Salon reports. “Is all the recent talk of secession mere sour grapes over the election or perhaps something deeper?” asks Ron Paul in his weekly newsletter and audio address. “Secession is a deeply American principle. … Some thought it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots.”

“If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties, and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it,” he goes on. “And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?” With Paul planning to quit Congress this year, his address may be something of a libertarian adieu to American politics.

So as we understand each other I support those who want to leave America, and build their own country.  They will have to give up the protection, the social security, medicare, police, roads, bridges, infrastructure, and start all over again, but that’s OK.  Why they could elect Ron Paul as their president, although I doubt he would be up for the job.  He’s been feeding from the public trough for far too long.

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Anonymous
11 years ago

You really think college students care about your social security? They don’t. And the smart ones that are self aware of our governments policies see a trend in that by the time this generation is old enough to retire, there wont be a social security, or a country, or freedom, or your “protection”. I graduated high school in 08.. What a great year to go out into this country right? College students and people my age, who look past your “idiot box”, your state-sponsored media outlets and your sensationalism over trivial things, really relate to Ron Paul. And I really think that scares a lot of powerful people in this country/world. People like you, who post this ignorant, biggoted, and biased BULL should be leaving the comforts of your home. You’re the problem, and trying to discredit not only Paul, but the People who signed a petition, because they’re scared of their government, further proves your ignorance. I know a lot of you “baby boomers” forgot about the Constitution, might wanna go back and read it one more time…

Reply to  Anonymous
11 years ago

Unlike little uneducated twerps like you, I am not afraid to use my real name. Also I do not make such patently absurd statements such as you have to expose my abysmal ignorance of the world in general and the Constitution of the USA in particular.

Furthermore, I know how to use paragraphs and apostrophes.

Tell me, exactly how an I ignorant, bigoted, (only one “g”) and biased? Because I use correct English and have the intellectual, ethical, and physical courage to state facts while you do nothing but spout absurd rhetoric without a clue of what you’re talking about?

FYI, I have left the comforts of my home far more than you ever will. I’ve lived in eight US states, Quebec (that’s in Canada, you probably didn’t know) Holland, (correctly called “The Netherlands”) and now Brazil. I have also visited many other countries, delivered small sailboats around the world and taken the trouble to learn far more about other places and people than you have even heard about. So much for “leaving the comforts of your home.”

When you have the moral and mental courage to stop posting anonymously, I’ll be happy to fill you in on the realities of the world. With your insular, willfully ignorant attitude, you’ll never learn any other way.

Bill Formby
Reply to  James Smith
11 years ago

James, forgive the entitled youth for they know not what they say. They have not lived long enough to realize that the economy in this country has gone up and down in the country many times. Nor do they understand that when folks our age left high school, provided we finished, which I didn’t, we had already been working for a while. We expected nothing that we didn’t go out and get by finding whatever work we could find. At his/her age I not only had a substantial work record but had served four years in the Marine Corps and still did not think that I was owed anything. As far as Social Security was concerned, it was what was going to give me a small pension at some point down the line but I knew that my life was my responsibility. I also knew that If my parents or grandparents needed anything, they were also my responsibility, but they too believed in Social Security. Too bad the youth of today are so focused on “me, me. me” that they have no concept of social consciousness.

Jess
Reply to  Anonymous
11 years ago

Some of use care very much about the tribal elders being taken care of. these men and women worked and paid into a social insurance policy that guaranteed them a little bit of money when they retire. Damn, right I care about the elderly man or woman or disabled person that relies on that money so they are not out on the street eating catfood begging.

As a millenial myself, some things he says make a little sense in an insane way like his let’s let weed be ok for the people. Anything else, the guy is a known racist, who thinks we should go back to the good old days of the 1850s or thereabouts and get paid in gold nuggets and other batshittery. feels it is okay to let people die if they have no insuirance, sorry not the kind of man I want as the leader of this country. Where does he think he is, San Francisco during the gold rush or what. You are still young if you graduated in 08 and have much to learn young grasshopper. I say this as a person not too long out of high school myself that would never have joined his libertarian groupies for nothing. Libertarians like Ron Paul are just republicans embarrassed to say that out loud who smoke weed once in a while. They still want to control what happens in our bedrooms and with the female body. Sorry, other than the people I may invite into my bedroom or body for that matter, no one else has any business being in there with me. Oh and not for nothing, if so many were interested in what he had to say why is he not the one that will be assuming president status come January, figure that one out.

Reply to  Jess
11 years ago

Well put, Jess. I am impressed with your perceptive views.

I wouldn’t expect any kind of reply from “young grasshopper.” He looks to be a “drive by” troll. That’s surely why he posts anonymously. He won’t have to be notified of rebuttals that he cannot answer.

That’s one reason why I was also rather harsh with him. (assuming it was a he) Another is due to an admitted character flaw of mine. I have never had much patience with willful ignorance or stubborn stupidity. When they are combined as in that post, I have even less.

OK, my bad but I know there is no chance of injecting any common sense into a head already filled with concrete. So why not have a little fun with them while blowing off some steam?

Jess
Reply to  James Smith
11 years ago

It’s the ‘rents that gave me all I have, foundation wise for being the godless liberal I am today. I am like you, no patience and this includes friends of mine who are way into the Paul deal, both father and son. When I try to show them all the crackpot stuff the two of those brain dead morons have said, written or believe, I am talking out my ass according to them. Half of these people that follow Paul, talk about you have to come out from under your bubble and see the real world not realizing we are in the real world and the stuff Paul talks about is so far removed from that it’s not funny. He’s like the pet rock of the right, everyone wanted one, no one admitted to actually buying a rock that had googly eyes but still the guy who came up with the idea, made a ton of scratch selling it to rubes.

Reply to  Jess
11 years ago

The problem with crackpot stuff, it can be made to sound rational if the person spouting it smiles, and acts confident. Then people can put their trust in the rhetoric and symbolism instead of having to think about anything for themselves. That might explain all religion, politics, the WWE, and maybe even NASCAR. 😀

11 years ago

Oddly enough Bill, I finished High School in Sylacauga. You may have heard of it.

I think they would have to leave the national forests in place, but the others could and should be stripped to bare walls and then the buildings demolished. Naturally federal support for those forests would end. They’d probably be cut down for firewood anyway.

Bill Formby
11 years ago

Umm, yeah, I think they had that discussion in 1861. Took about 4 years to try to work out the details before they gave it it up. Yes, since I live in Alabama. Alabama can’t make from one fiscal year to the next with federal money. We have have a constitution with something 735+ amendments to it. The majority of people in the state are roughly the equivalent of sheep who can be led to slaughter by any nut case around because of their ignorance.

Of course, there is always the problem of what we would do with all of the federal property in Alabama, Redstone Arsenal (Rocket Center), Fort Rucker, Hubbell Field, Anniston Ammo Center, and I am sure there is another one or two I am missing. Then there are the national forests. I don’t see the federal government saying, “Ah hell, ya’ll can just have’em.”

11 years ago

Sounds like he does not support secession, but more the “right to secede,” as an option.

Reply to  John Myste
11 years ago

I know of no established procedure for secession. OTOH, I know of no law against it. There is a precedent. I think it begins, “When in the course of human events…”

It has been done before and it may have been a legal question at the time if it could be done or not.

As with most great questions in history, this one was settled by violence. It still never decides which side was right, but it does settle the issue.

Reply to  Professor Mike
11 years ago

If a state has the right to secede, which makes no sense to me, but if it does, then secession is peaceful. Otherwise, it is Civil War. There is a huge difference. I don’t really believe in State’s rights as a real thing, beyond their Constitutional mandate. States are not alive; they have no rights. If it were up to me, we would rid ourselves of the concept of the “state” entity entirely, but I digress.

Reply to  John Myste
11 years ago

In the case of secession, the “state” refers to the people making up the political boundaries of the area. As I mentioned, I know of no law forbidding secession, nor of no specific procedure for doing it.

The founding fathers apparently made up their own procedures for “dissolving political ties.” I know of nothing other than military force preventing say, Alabama, from doing the same.

greenlight
11 years ago

The man makes sense in his discussion of the federal regulation of marijuana being an overreach of federal power given that the states have freely voted for its legality. Yay, Ron Paul! Oh, sorry–must have been drinking the Kool-Aid. At least I don’t have Romnesia. 🙂

11 years ago

I would allow secession if a majority of voters in a state voted in favor of it. Those that did not agree would be free to relocate to a more stable state and those from non secessionists states could immigrate to the new nation.

There would be a few caveats, though. First, those seceding would no longer be American citizens and would surrender their social security and all other federal benefits as would the new nation, as you pointed out.

Next, all current federal property would be removed from those states. This includes all military, medical, and educational facilities. Nor would any previously federally funded projects continue. That includes, roads, research, dams, parks, or anything else.

Finally, there would be no commerce of any kind permitted between the SA and the new country. No tourism, trade, or even phone calls. You want to be on your own without government interference, take the bad with the perceived good.

Naturally, none of the secessionists would ever be permitted to return under any circumstances.

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