Alabama Governor Bentley “We’re #1” (in stupidity)
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At the present time the State of Alabama is, like many other states with its budget. It is, by any accounts, a poor state primarily because of an upside down tax system that is buffaloed by Alabama Farmers Association. Property taxes in Alabama are almost a joke while the sales taxes and income taxes that try to carry the load. The present budget has caused more than a thousand teachers to be laid off for the coming school year, hundreds of workers in the state’s courts system to be laid off, and numerous budget cuts for all other state agencies. The Republicans who control every level of government are having a field day. But somewhere in their beady little heads they have found some money somewhere, or perhaps their stupidity actually has not allowed them to arrive at this point yet, to prepare for years of court battles over their most recent piece of legislation passed today.
Governor Robert Bentley, who campaigned on the promise to passed the toughest anti-immigration bill in the country has succeeded in doing just that. The other promise, to return Alabama to full employment has not yet appeared, nor is it likely to any time soon. In fact, this may likely drive away future industries that might have considered settling in Alabama. Way to go there Gov.
According to The Tuscaloosa News, Alabama’s new law is modeled after Arizona’s law much of which is enjoined from being enforced by the federal court system. But Alabama’s laws takes some of it to a whole new level of being mean-spirited. For example, it is now against the law to knowingly transport (give a ride) to an undocumented person. It is illegal to employ an undocumented person regardless of the size of your business. This, of course will impact every business in the state because everyone will have to “E Verify” just to be sure they are not breaking to law, which will add to the cost of running every business regardless of size. I really want to see how well this works out with the fat cat farmers versus the small farms. All schools will have to document the status of every child that attends school every year. Remember, I told you the state had forced well over a thousand layoffs of teachers across the state. This fall should really be fun, huh. This, of course is on top of the normal Arizona type if the police pull you over they can haul you in for not being able to prove you are a citizen. Like the pared down police in this state have nothing better to do than hunt down illegals.
Now, here is the real rub. Alabama is no Arizona, for those of you who think this is not going to result in racial or ethnic profiling. Alabama has roughly 4.8 million people in it with a population of roughly 186,000 Hispanics. I mean, people are not really making a run for the border here. That is something less than 4% if my calculator is correct. Some of those are American citizens who most likely will have to show their papers over and over and over again after this bill becomes law September the 1st. Those of Hispanic heritage, and probably most all people of color born in this country, will have to start carrying their birth certificates with them. Trust me, I know how some of the small town police in Alabama think. The really sad thing, and the stupidest part of this behavior by the legislators, is that Alabama had become a fairly attractive place for foreign companies.
In the past few decades Alabama has been fortunate enough to have attracted three large foreign automotive plants. Mercedes, Hyundai, and Toyota all have large plants in the state along with the supporting industries that usually follow these industries. Of course, Germans, Koreans, and Japanese do not look like Hispanics so they are safe. In Addition to building cars Alabama has always attracted a fair number of foreign tourists to the state particularly to the gulf coast. Add to that the fact that The University of Alabama and Auburn University have substantial foreign exchange student programs which has helped attract other business ventures to the state. Why these idiots risk the progress the state has made, much of it under Republican leadership, to this point is a really big question. Actually, I think it is fairly easy to answer, I mean beyond the most obvious one that THEY ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID! They did it just to say they did it. That’s all. Just to be able to walk around and say, “Look What We Did! Aint We Sumpin?'”
They say they did it to open up jobs for Alabamians in the poultry industry and on farms. Folks, I have been living in Alabama all my life, with the exception of about 6 years, and I have seen farmers and poultry companies trying to find workers, but could find no takers. There are a couple of reasons for that. The jobs don’t pay well and the work is hard, dirty and messy. There are roofing companies in my town right now advertising for help and getting no takers, and it is only going to get worse when rebuilding from the tornado damage really gets started.
Why are average Alabamians not taking it? Even though roofing pays pretty well, have you ever stood, not worked, but stood on a roof top when the temperature is bumping 100 degrees every day? I have and I don’t like it one bit. They could have accomplished their same goal by simply cracking down on employers or the big farmers who are the ones that largely depend on the illegal immigrants for work. But, Alabama Governor Bentley has decided he doesn’t mind spending state resources on attorneys to fight this in court, but he did not want to spend any more money to keep teachers employed or keeping our courts running better.
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I am now officially ashamed and embarrased to be from and live in Alabama. I will not vote for Gov Bentley again and I sure won’t vote for those who supported this bill.
Folks, let me put this for you in really, really basic, very simple terms. If the federal government wanted to actually stop illegal immigrants from coming across that damn border they could. If you want proof, fine — look at the prison systems in this country. there is one thing we are very, very good at, keeping people in or out of certain places. We have more than a million citizens incarcerated in this country and we allow them visitors. No one gets out (usually) who isn’t supposed to, and no one gets in who isn’t supposed to. Do not tell me that we can not stop uneducated people from crossing a damn river to come into this country. Look to the United States Chamber of Chamber of Commerce, The United States Senate, and The United States House of Representatives for the answer. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE IT IS POLITICS. It is not a state issue where a bunch of yahoos with histories of racist behaviors should be making the decisions. Next will it be OK if they bring out “Bull” Conner and the dogs and the fire hoses of the past to enforce their will on the people. JUST REMEMBER THIS FAMOUS SAYING FOLKS: (edited)
First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Blacks,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Black.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
The Niemoller quote is one of my favorites and while your insertion of “blacks” is understood, it takes away from the impact of the German history of his words. We can insert whatever means the most (women, gays, babies, Christians (he did use Catholics), atheists, whatever.
I am strongly against discrimination without cause. But sometimes there IS cause for profiling, as ugly as it may seem. But until those who are impacted speak out against those who contribute to the situation by their behavior, it makes it difficult to PROVE racial motivation. Whereas, if everyone was following the rules and we decided to deport folks for no good reason, it would be clearly racially driven. When we pull a Glenn Beck “the sky is falling” before the sky actually DOES fall, it takes away from those who deal with TRUE racism. When we scream “racism” before there is proof, people dismiss the real screams.
When a Hispanic man with a college degree and 10 years of experience is denied a job that goes to a white high school drop out with no experience…you have racism and I will be the first person in line to speak out against this. But when a Hispanic woman sits in a restaurant for 10 minutes without being waited on and then files a “racism” complaint, it takes away from the gentleman who was denied a job. My loyalty is with him.
Until pro-immigration people are advocating for the benefits of citizenship and volunteering their time to help illegals acquire it, its hard to respect the opinion. Until you show concern for the illegal activity along with concern over racially motivated unfair treatment, its hard to really respect the opinion.
I am for helping illegals become citizens and if they refuse to comply they should be asked to leave. Not beaten and put in jail, just sent back to where they came from. If we do not enforce our rules, then why have them?
Look at it this way. You invite a stranger to a pot luck dinner at your home. They are the only one who doesn’t bring a dish. You ask them to remove their shoes at the door but they refuse. You ask where they work and they say it is none of your business. They fill their plate up and fill their belly while being rude and not following the rules. After dinner, they go into your guest room and say they’ve decided to live there. Wopuld you allow them to stay without adjusting their behavior? Or would you make sure they remove their shoes and contribute to dinner? Wouldn’t you want to know if they have a job and will be able to contribute to the household? Or would you just let them stay, no questions asked?
As far as us leaving it up to the Federal government, should we just do away with states rights? If so, that is a whole different issue. But as long as states are given the right to deal with situations such as this themselves, then we have to let them. If they fail, they will learn from their mistakes. If the people are in disagreement, they can move. If corporations no longer want to build there, they can choose another state.if Alabama collapses and ceases to function in any capacity, I’m sure the other 49 states will welcome everyone with open arms (Well, except maybe Arizona.) Plus, we won’t ever have to hear “Roll Tide” again. So, who’s complaining?
PS, I find it ironic that I commented earlier on how smart and industrious illegals are for figuring out a way to get here and survive so many obstacles and that they are able to overcome just about anything….and now you (the anti-racism supporter) basically say we could keep out the stupid Mexicans if we wanted to. (“Do not tell me that we can not stop uneducated people from crossing a damn river to come into this country”)
Do you think all of the people “coming across the river” are too stupid to outsmart an American? Reeeeally? Then how are they all getting here? Do we send them a chartered jet and then not expect tax dollars from them? We do not help ANYONE if there isn’t something in it for our government. If we are helping them get here then we will by God want their tax dollars. Why would the gov’t help them get here (for our benefit) then not step in when Alabama wants to send them home? Please, I’m dumb as your opinion of a Mexican crossing a river, explain this to me.
Very put Chris. I am enjoying this conversation. I think you misinterpreted one of my points though. “nd now you (the anti-racism supporter) basically say we could keep out the stupid Mexicans if we wanted to. (“Do not tell me that we can not stop uneducated people” Uneducated does not equal stupid by any stretch of the imagination, at least my imagination anyway. Your terms, “smart and industrious illegals” added to determined I think is a better description. I know a lot of people who are smart who are not very well educated because they never had great educational opportunities. I know a lot of well educated people who are stupid because their heads aren’t screwed on right. Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann immediately comes to mind.
The real point in terms of the feds versus the states is that those who attempt to cross, or are crossing our national borders are primarily the problem of the national government. This is true of every country in the world. The states should have the obligation of seizing and holding for federal authorities anyone found to be in this country illegally. Additionally, because the federal government is responsible for monitoring commerce which transcends state lines they alone have the power to police the hiring of illegals on a national basis. The feds are also responsible, even to Libertarians, for protecting the sovereignty of this county. Thus, it is first and foremost a federal problem. As it is the President and the Congress are negligent in carrying out those responsibilities. The main reason they don’t is the pressure brought to bear by major corporations who exploit the illegals in the workforce. My point was that if the government seriously wanted to stop illegal border, as in North Korea, China,Iran, etc., we have the technology and methods to do it. But they don’t for political reasons. When it is left to the states to determine national policy, then we no longer have a “united” states.
About the last sentence, I don’t think they care. They wanted to leave the union, remember? Rick Perry, anyone?
I agree completely thay uneducated doesn’t mean stupid, and I agree wholeheartedly that an education does equal intelligence. George Bush and Sarah Palin are perfect examples.
My point was about the context of how the word “uneducated” was being used. It sounded like you were saying that we should be able to keep dumb people out of the country. I don’t see how their education level is a factor when it comes to getting across the border. It sounded like it was directed at their intelligence level (meaning they weren’t the sharpest tools in the shed so we should be able to stop them). I used the word “stupid” to mean a lack of intelligence, which is the only way I could take that comment. I don’t want to beat a dead horse, just want to explain my choice of words.
I completely understand your viewpoint and respect your reasoning. Its well thought out and I can totally understand why you feel the way you do. And I do agree with the majority of what you are saying. I think I am just playing devil’s advocate here and trying to give a different view…from someone who isn’t a raging conservative.
I just would like to see SOMEONE in this post acknowledge the fact that the illegal aliens are not following the law, plain and simple. It seems people feel they have to blame corporations and/or the government (state or federal)…OR the illegals. I just get frustrated when people can’t say that ALL are in the wrong. It just seems to be that Democrats are not supposed to say anything negative about illegal aliens and conservatives basically want to hoist them up in a tree. I completely understand why you are against them and their backwoods way of thinking. I am against it as well. I just wish I could read a well thought out and intelligent post such as yours that includes acknowledging the fact that illegals aren’t doing the right thing either.
I don’t want anyone harassed. I do not want innocent people being made to feel like a criminal. I just want them to follow the rules so that they can remain here peacefully and so that they do not cause others to be victims due to their wrong doing.
I’ll explain it this way. I despise what the KKK does, not only because of the disrespect they have for black people but because of how they make white people look. People like that are the reason why I’m thought of as a racist by some, strictly because of the color of my skin.
Law abiding black people who are productive members of society feel the same way about blacks who are not. They make life hard for them. They can’t go into a department store without being watched. Not because of racism but because so many black people steal. I’m not being a racist, I’m stating a fact. Most do not blame the white people, they blame the black people who give them a bad name.
Which brings me to the illegal Mexicans who come here. I’m not going to sugarcoat it with the PC term “Hispanic”. We all know who we are talking about anyway. If you talk to the ones who are citizens, they become irate at the ones who are not. They feel that they give them a bad name.
I just think that the pro-immigration viewpoint would be more widely accepted with a little “now they aren’t doing the right thing either” thrown in there. Without it, it just starts sounding like a parent of a bratty child who keeps blaming their behavior on too much sugar or being tired. Or anything else but the child. Children misbehave. Adults misbehave. Governments misbehave. And we need to stop making excuses for bad behavior.
I will tell you right now, I think the Alabama Deliverance way of thinking is wrong.I think its more about their power trip than anything else. They are basically dog kickers. I am not attempting to defend them, I am trying to make a point. And that is without illegal immigrants, they would have no reason to go after anyone. They would have to reason to harrass the law abiding Hispanic citizens. If everyone was following the rules (including the Federal gov’t) they would have no ammunition and there would be no reason for their ridiculous new bill.
I blame the illegals, the Federal government AND the Dueling Banjo leaders of Alabama for this situation. There is really no logical way to only blame one..or two of them because all three are the reason why this is happening.
And I truly feel bad for those who will suffer who followed the rules. And I also feel bad for the ones who did not. Because the majority of them just wanted a better life and did not set out to hurt anyone.I’m not heartless, I just try to remain fair and balanced. You know, like Fox News. (Kidding!!!)
I have so many typos I don’t know where to begin to address them all but I’m cracking myself up with all my mistakes while discussing the uneducated, lol. But I meant education does NOT equal intelligence. I promise I do not think Dubya and You Betcha are examples of intelligence.
I’m typing these long winded replies in my Blackberry if you can imagine it. And my reply buttons are not quite where they should be, but I just wanted to clarify that my last response was to Lazersedge, not to the person in the straight jacket.
I will acknowledge to both of you gentleman that I do understand your points that the law is the law and it should be obeyed. If any nation says that you should not be in their borders illegally you should not be there. Period, no question. I think I am just arguing that the feds are being allowed to pass the buck to the states who are less qualified to do it, however, the states are trying to protect themselves because the feds won’t. Damnit.
Agreed. Awesome, I feel like I just scratched an itch in the middle of my back that I haven’t been able to reach, ha ha.
Thanks, I feel so much better.
I think the “gentlemen” you are addressing must be Mike and Collin. Because I am a woman and Eddie is about as gentle as Linda Blair in the Exorcist.
I have enjoyed this conversation. Its nice to see a confessed Liberal who is open minded enough to go against the script along with being able to debate issues without dropping F bombs or bringing up tits.
Thank you for an intelligent and very well put together post.
Many apologies Chris. I should have noticed how well you managed to continue to make your point without resorting to expletive deleted text items. 🙂 Indeed, an enjoyable conversation.
You telling me these rants that only consistency is a hot bag of misplaced anger has a points?
Ha!! Thank you. Most people think I’m a dude in this type of environment, I expect it. I sort of like the “It’s Pat” factor of the name Chris online because there is no re-judgement of my opinion based on my sex. I know all about discrimination, I promise. Thanks for allowing me to learn more about this subject. I even googled “how to become a US citizen” last night so I could remind myself just how hard it actually is to do. I learned a lot of things I did not know. Thank you for that.
*PRE-judgment not re-judgment. I hate this expletive deleted text Blackberry.
I will like to clarify that my response is to the honorable gentleman lasersedge, not the intellectual lightweight that can’t maintain the same rant from one post to another.
You know a really simple way that this has everything to do with race? No matter what is done (local, state, federal level) and no matter how many illegals are kicked out and no matter what the crime rate is, the people keep saying they are being overrun by (insert paranoid rant here) which always happens to be brown. You know, I am a college educated reasonably healthy guy going for my second degree. If a dude that cannot pass even a literacy test in ANY language and probably stricken by some supposed to be extinct disease is better than me, than the fault is clearly my own.
You should go to the MMA FB page Lazer. They’re talking about you over there. I enjoyed this read but I see both sides of it.
Jenney, I have been on the road all day. As I said everyone can say what they wish but it is a lot of money that Alabama can’t afford to be wasting on something that has already been proven to be tied up in the courts. I just drove 180 miles through Alabama and saw help wanted signs in every town of any size I went through. What we need in this state is legislators working toward improving the jobs that are available here and our education system instead of trying to make themselves look like big dogs.
Chris writes:
“Why do we even have laws if enforcing them may hurt someone’s feelings? And if someone doesn’t like the law then they are free to leave. Why do we treat grown people like children? Do we think “brown people” are too stupid to figure out their own solution to this problem? Must we handle everything for them?”
Well said Chris, all of it.
I have mixed feelings on this subject and realize my comment won’t be a very popular one but why do we have laws regarding citizenship if we do not enforce them? Should we just remove the laws we have in place if states aren’t allowed to see to it that they are enforced?
Shouldn’t we already be checking to see who is or isn’t legally in this country? I realize this can allow bigoted backwoods lawmen an opportunity to harrass minorities but they will find a way to do that regardless.
Alabama is an embarrassment to our nation in more ways than we can count on both hands. I’m not disputing any of that.
But my question is this: Should we just allow anyone and everyone to move here without any control over it? Why are we defending illegal activity?
Let’s say a white person moves to an area of Africa where there are strict laws that have to be followed in order for “outsiders” to live there. They know this before they move there. If the majority of the residents in the community are black, would it be unreasonable for them to stop a white person and ask to see their papers to prove they are following the rules? Or should they just let it go? Or should they stop every black person also just to keep from hurting the white people’s feelings? If the white people don’t like this set up, can’t they just go back home? Or move to another community in africa without these rules?
Why do we even have laws if enforcing them may hurt someone’s feelings? And if someone doesn’t like the law then they are free to leave. Why do we treat grown people like children? Do we think “brown people” are too stupid to figure out their own solution to this problem? Must we handle everything for them?
One more thing….as far as not having enough people to chop off chicken heads for great big fat people who don’t need any more nuggets anyway….the chickens and I think that would be a good thing.
Chris I understand what yo are saying and do not disagree with the spirit of it. However, this is not Africa. We are not a third world nation and can solve this problem without turning local law enforcement officers into Gestapos. The problem is that businesses continue to hire illegals and the federal government knows it. When the federal government decides to deal with this it will stop because it is a federal issue. Until then the states and local communities are trying to play “border patrol” from the inside which often makes it really difficult for legalize citizens and natural born citizens of Hispanic, Asian, and other outward noticeable descent.
So, what is the Gestapo behavior of the local law enforcement officers? Saying “let me see your ID and registration”? And then hauling them to jail if they can’t produce it? Well, the same thing could happen to me if I’m pulled over and can’t provide the info they need to see. Should I be upset with the officer and my state because of this rule? Or should I accept personal responsibility for the fact that I should have had a license? Why do we make so many excuses for law breakers?
Why should I be expected to have a driver’s license and SS card to get a job but an illegal alien doesn’t have to provide proof of anything more than their mere existance?
I think corporations and small businesses should have to follow the rules as well. I just happen to think both law breakers should be responsible. Its like the drug dealer and the dope buyer…it takes two to tango.
Corporations should be made to obey the law equally but making them comply alone will not fix the problem because so many illegal immigrants are self employed and paid in cash. How do you suggest we handle that?
But I think if someone has the balls to pack up and sneak across the border and move to a foreign country knowing they will have to find work and a place to live from scratch without any form of legal identification or documentation ….I think they can handle just about anything. And they are certainly capable of figuring out a solution to any problem they will face.
And if other Hispanics (or Asians, snicker snicker)have to suffer because of the actions of people who “look” like they do, they should demand they follow the rules louder than anyone.
And as long as I have to show legal identification to prove who I am and that I have a right to be doing whatever it is I’m doing, I think everyone else should have to as well.
Because that is what keeps on happening. You are talking about people that refuse to even believe that Barack Hussein Obama II is an American citizen even with all the paperwork. This has NOTHING to do with obeying the law and everything to do with politics. The illegal immigration rate and crime rate has been dropping. The border is as secure as it can get. It is like this every election. They keep on blaming immigrants for their problems, rather it is fucking up the economy or losing the election. Why should we trust people with this mentality to protect us?
I don’t trust ANY politician. Especially a Republican. The problem I’m having is not one person from the Left seems to be putting any responsibility on the “illegal” people.
You’re right that this is political because its the same old thing we always hear. Democrats blaming the Republicans, corporations and screaming “racism” and defending criminals and Republicans blaming the Democrats and not placing ANY blame on corporations for ANYTHING…along with wanting to please their good ol’ boy supporters by gettin’ rid of them Mexicans (while denying it has anything to do with race) and wanting to get as close as they can to their wet dream of a dictatorship (as long as they are the dictator). And I’m sure they will find a way to bring Jesus into it as well.
Its the same old argument that we always hear from both sides. Its the very reason why I would never claim either side. I think both sides can be nutty as fruitcakes. Its like people pick their team and they wear their colors no matter what. Anyone who isn’t brainwashed by the ideals of a political party can see that the ILLEGAL immigrants are in the wrong just as the corporations are for knowingly hiring them ILLEGALLY are wrong. But both sides will just defend the position of their party, even when it makes absolutely no logical sense.
Which is why I’m very proud to be Independent.
How could anyone possibly know if the illegal immigrant rate is dropping? Um, they are illegal, do you think they are notifying the authorities that they are here? Think most people are honest on the Census? Do you think they write down the names of all ILLEGAL aliens at their residence?. They probably notify the IRS of the cash they are paid under the table as well.
Well, based on YOUR standard, we don’t even know or ever know if we have a major illegal immigrant problem or even a minor illegal immigrant problem. Case closed. Next issue.
But we DO know they are BREAKING THE LAW. And law breakers are supposed to be dealt with in this country. Its why we have those black and white cars with blue lights on the top. Even if you are an extreme Libertarian and think people should just be able to do as they please without interference, that “freedom”rule only applies to CITIZENS. All an illegal has to do to enjoy the rights of any US citizen is to freaking become one. Case closed.
Don’t give me that crap about breaking the law. There are proper agencies taking care of it and doing a good job of it. This prolonged economic slump is already naturally repelling a lot of illegals from stay or even coming. I also like to remind you that it was people like you that advocated (and succeeded) for the deployment of the military for this problem? Well, guess what? You are still bitching more than ever.
Eddie, please explain how the “proper agencies” are dealing with illegal aliens in Alabama that they do not know even exist. Are they magical elves? Is Jesus keeping up with them? Is he posting statistics on his Facebook page?
People like me advocated deploying the military? Have we met? I’ve never advocated for the military to do ANYTHING except stop killing folks, particularly brown people. But now that you mention it, I had rather see the military protecting citizens and our country over HERE instead of killing innocent people in other countries for absolutely no good reason. Maybe if we can keep them busy here they will have less time to blow off the arms and legs of children.
I’m still bitching more than ever? This is actually a subject that I normally do not address. I’m only looking at it from a logical stand point. Trying to open some eyes to both sides. If it makes you feel better, I’m not a resident of Alabama (or Arizona) nor would I ever vote for a Republican so I’m not really sure how I have contributed to the situation in any way.
But why is it that people who lean to the left have difficulty carrying on a debate without profanity? Is it Liberal induced Tourette’s or something? Sort of the opposite of Conservative induced Bible thumping?
This country will never be peaceful if we just continue to argue instead of opening our minds and meeting in the middle. We will never be at peace if we do not make life hard for criminals instead of tippy toeing around them and giving them cable. (Settle down, I’m not calling Hispanics criminals, I’m calling criminals criminals.) We will never have peace if we do not take religion out of government the way it was intended. And we will never have peace as long as the rich just get richer while the poor just get poorer. And we will never have peace if the poor do not try their hardest to contribute to society. And we will never have peace as long as we invade countries to seek revenge for not giving us what we want.
I am not a conservative and I am not a liberal. I’m sanely in the middle. So no “you people” comments please unless you have a crystal ball to know who I am.
Oh, you are an independent alright….independent from REALITY! I stated the fact that illegal immigrant rates are dropping. You told me it was impossible to know. I therefore stated by your definition, we don’t even know if we have an illegal immigration problem of any sort. Then you said we certainly know because they commit crimes. I responded that in that case, you guys should let the proper agencies take care of the problem….to which you respond that there is NO way they know about the illegal immigrants. I have no idea what drug you are taking, but you might want to stop. Seriously.
I will also like to point out that the primary model of this method, Joe Arpaio, turned out to be a person that abuses his power for political purposes, steals from the taxpayers, refused to cooperate with federal authorities, has no respect for restraint, and turned out to be an all around son of a bitch.
Do I need to list all the pro-immigration folks who are guilty of the same? Its sort of pointless to point out a politician whp abuses their power for political purposes and steals from the tax payers or does something shady because there will always be a counter of the same from the other party. It is a battle that can’t be won.
So, I’m just going to point blank ask you this: Do you place any blame on illegal folks who come here and do not follow the rules? They live here and drive on our street without a license and without contributing tax dollars to pay for them. They take away jobs during a time of record unemployment. Most of them are self employed so you can’t blame the corporations for all of it. Do you think this is right?
Eddie, I see you have your crystal ball out again or you are listening to the magical elves again. I do not do drugs, I don’t even drink.
The reason why my words make no sense is because everything I am saying is based on something very foreign to you….logic.
I said it is impossible to have accurate statistics on illegal immigrants because of their “illegal” status. How can anyone come up with accurate figures? Where are they getting the information? They can’t even get a driver’s license in 46 states (I think its 46, we’ll say MOST states) They do not have a social security number. They are not legally employed therefore there isn’t a reliable paper trail of any kind. Most of them do odd jobs and the people who pay them only know their first name. Please explain the method of obtaining accurate information on the number of illegal immigrants in this country.
I never ONCE said the rate was going up because that would be idiotic since it is impossible to have accurate statistics. WHAT I SAID IS THAT THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY AND THAT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH SOMEHOW.
I only said they were breaking the law with regard to their ILLEGAL status. Let me clarify….LEGAL means they are following the law. ILLEGAL means they are not. When people break laws, they are committing a crime. People who commit crimes are called criminals.Does that help? If I refer to illegal activity by them, I mean with regard to their ILLEGAL status in this country. They don’t have to remain illegal! They are making the choice to not follow the rules.
You still haven’t answered my question. DO YOU THINK THE ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE DOING ANYTHING WRONG BY COMING HERE ILLEGALLY?
Apparently, you are not independent from revisionist history.
“Eddie, please explain how the “proper agencies” are dealing with illegal aliens in Alabama that they do not know even exist. Are they magical elves? Is Jesus keeping up with them?”
In this sentence, you said that the proper agencies do not even know they exist, not rather or not they have a good estimate of the problem. In the exact same sentence, you ridiculed the same agencies tasked with dealing those illegals in the same law enforcement manner you are advocating. You know, warrants, searches, trials, lawyers, deportations, and all that crap. Try some consistency.
Eddie, you are precisely the reason why the term “loony left” exists. Ummmm, I think everybody is freaking aware there are illegal immigrants in Alabama. Normal, sane people would know that I meant they don’t know ALL the ones who are there. I do not think they are invisible like your magical elfin friends. I will never be able to get through to someone such as yourself. So, I will not continue to respond.
Hahaha! You know, it is people like you that lowers that national IQ. You keep on flipping from we can, should, and MUST let law enforcement do their job to tackle illegal immigrant CRIMINALS to law enforcement agencies are fuckers that do not know where the bad guys are and should not be trusted and back again. Run back to your mommy’s tits, you scumbag!
I’m surprised Georgia isn’t part of that Axis of Evil. Extraordinary post Bill.
I would have Mike but The Repubs here have been making such a big deal about how broke the state was and then this. I was not sure about Georgia. Plus, this governor is from Tuscaloosa and I was seeing red.
Ignorance and bigotry always gets in the way of fiscal progress. Actually that law about transporting illegal aliens was born in Oklahoma, then copied in Arizona. Our business community hates our stupid “make life hard on brown people” laws too.
I am sure that the Okies are up to their necks in this also Collin. I don’t know that much about the small town law enforcement officials out there but some of them here will be a super incarnation of “Sheriff Beauford Justice” (Jackie Gleason from Smokie and the Bandit) in using the law.
Ha! For the most part the sheriff’s departments and local law enforcement seem pretty professional in Oklahoma. I know the Tulsa PD doesn’t like enforcing anti-immigration laws, because it sucks up time and resources while there are more dangerous fish to fry.