Ken Ham: Nuthouse Creationist – Earth is 6000 Years Old
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It’s a battle for the ages, a real “Rumble in the Jungle.” Well, not really, but it was a pretty interesting debate between Ken Ham the developer and head of the Creation Museum and TV’s “Science Guy” Bill Nye. Ham, an avid defender of the creationist philosophy that the world is only 6,000 years old, arranged the debate and sold 800 tickets which were immediately sold out. The funds went to support his museum’s bizarre philosophies.
Nye hoped to reach a few of the misguided parents, children, and teachers, by showing that evolution is good science while creationism is simply nonsense. Nye was criticized for his appearance at the debate because it was just adding money to the Creation Museum coffers but accepted the challenge nonetheless, because, he said, if we don’t address the challenges from the creationists we run the risk of living in ignorance.
The problem Nye faced is Ham’s philosophy itself. When asked about the dating of material from the past Ham said it was easy because he had eye witness reports from the word of “God” that were written in the Bible. This is his view of science which Ham says was hijacked by the secularists. OK, Mr Ham, you got me there. To the best of my knowledge people wrote what they claimed God told them. There is a difference between that and God sitting down with pen and paper.
Now, Nye, as you might expect politely contested his points, pointing out that there were no tests to verify the biblical claims. Further, he noted, there is nothing in his biblical findings that can predict future events, whereas science can predict many events based on prior tests. The frustration with attempting to explaining any logic to Bible Bangers rests with their traditional response, “I know this because God said so.” The rational thinkers inevitably ask: “show me where God actually wrote something down.” According to the Bible, God said things and someone wrote it down. Never mind that the scribe was not even there when God allegedly said it. Never mind that the writing might be centuries old, and even well after the event is supposed to have happened. This is the circular logic of the faithful.
After reading much of the debate between these two I have concluded that I will no longer attempt to convince religious people that they may have it wrong. It is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It annoys the pig and frustrates me.
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Or a hamster.
Maybe old ham-fisted Ham is hamming it up. Not even a Wombat can be this ignorant!
Bill Nye is a very nice, ultra polite person. How he managed to stay as calm and rational as he did is beyond my comprehension. Ham is just using his philosophies to rake in money. His followers will continue to remain the “mainstream stupids.”
They are indeed the “mainstream stupids.”
Yep, and you can’t fix that.
I watched this silliness and couldn’t stop laughing at Ken Ham and his idiotic claims.
I couldn’t bring myself to watch it Rachael. The idea of crap like that being on in prime time just drives me crazy.
I wouldn’t have lasted five minutes with this guy before hauling off and smacking some sense into his head. All you ever get from them is the buybull said it so it’s true.
Yep. Same here. I just don’t get why any rational person would ever engage in a debate with a fool.
It’s when Ham said that “NATURALISM is a religion” that made me face palm and pull my hair out ! Religious people, especially creationists, appear to be stuck in the Dark Ages. They are so afraid of the future and of dying without going to their heavenly cave in the sky so they can worship their invisible, imaginary sky-daddy for eternity. Fear & guilt rule them because they truly believe in their buybull. I wish Nye would have asked Ham why the thousands of gods worshiped by man over the centuries were not the right gods. “Mr. Ham, you are actually an atheist also, as I believe in only one less god than you do !” I’m sure the Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. have something just as ridiculous to say about their worldview. Religion has got to go or the U.S. will fall behind scientifically and economically and be the laughing stock of the world as other nations like China, Japan, Europe, Russia etc. leave America in their wake.
Thanks to the Friendly Atheist site for the following: “The Creation Debate in a Nutshell”
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/02/04/the-creation-debate-in-a-nutshell/
We’re already behind scientifically Rick, way behind more progressive, less religious countries. Until the majority embrace secularism and outlaw home schooling America will continue to raise generations of idiots.
I doubt that outlawing home schooling is a good idea. I have known many home schooled children and most were bright, well-adjusted, and well in advance educationally than their public schooled peers. In any case, it would incite the religious reich to further demand their idiocy be taught everywhere in all public schools.
In my experience home schooled kids are bigoted bible bangers, who, after their “schooling” are dumber than rocks. Clearly we’ve had different experiences.
Obviously, we have. Most of the ones I have known were children of atheists who kept them out of public schools for the reason I mentioned. One family was in Arkansas, so ’nuff said. 😉
When I lived in Boca Raton, FL, a fellow IBM employee elected to home school his three children because the public schools were not only poorly run, they were so unsafe that, in the high school, even the teacher would not walk in the halls alone. In Tom’s words, “What kind of fool would send his children into a place where they had to be constantly worried about their physical safety all the time?”
He looked into private schools but they were all run by church groups and you know the rest.
He eventually requested and received a transfer to Rochester, MN where the climate was awful, but it was still a good place to raise kids.
I’m in a neighboring country to the north of Palm Beach County. There are so many private schools here precisely because parents want to protect their offspring from science and all forms of truth. Some are secular, but most are not. Most are all white – the other reason parents want out of the public schools. Religion and bigotry walk hand in hand.
We’re already behind scientifically Rick, way behind more progressive, less religious countries. Until the majority embrace secularism and outlaw home schooling America will continue to raise generations of idiots.
I’m insulted by this statement, your ignorant, I home school my daughter, I’m an Atheist, If I sent my daughter to the local public schools she would be retarded when she graduated from high school. I cant have that.
My daughter has a junior high reading level and exceptional writing skills,
she is nine or should be in the 4th grade. But placing her there in what is basically a state controlled idiot farm for the masses to be indoctrinated into ,,,, you can figure the rest out your selves..
Home schooling your child is what most of our fore fathers and Mothers did to assure that something was learned by their children, not just for bible bangers. if you can show any real reason why a public school is better than home schooling my child may be ill think about it for a 1/10 second. she will go on to a collage of her choice and be what ever she chooses to be in her life without the aid of the state or some nut job telling her how she should be educated. blah Blah Blah I could rant more so think wisely before wearing your butt as a hat 🙂
Rick, the problem is that different people picked out a God and swore allegiance to it and agreed to die for it, and die they must before acknowledging that it does not exist.
I read somewhere, I forget the exact quote, but debating a theist is like playing chess with a pigeon.
No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon will knock over all of the pieces, crap on the board and then strut around as if it had won.
I have never heard a better description of nut vases like Ken Ham. Or maybe he is not so crazy. Perhaps he is simply using the gullibility of others to provide himself with a nice living without actually doing anything useful or even having to think.
First, I don’t think “debating” these nutters in a public forum by respected folk like Bill Nye helps the secular cause. Secondly, in keeping with your pigeon analogy, in my experience, trying to reason with a believer is like trying to reason with a drunk. Both are exercises in futility.
Don’t ever fight with idiots, they will only beat you with experience 🙂
I love that. Thanks Jess, there’s a couple of people I will use that on…. 🙂
So true Jess