The United States Of Europe
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I have mentioned the European Union and ‘Brexit’ from time to time – oh alright then, lots of times – but, generally as part of an article on something else whether directly connected or not. I am conscious that the majority of readers at MMA are American so could easily stop reading as they feel it’s nothing to do with them and go off and watch baseball or ice hockey or American football or some other sport that generally mystifies the Brits. And yes, I can only apologize for cricket.
Former European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso stated in 2007 that : “Sometimes I like to compare the EU as a creation to the organisation of empire. We have the dimension of empire”.
There you go. Right at the start. The punchline. The ultimate ambition of The European Union is to create a European empire. Not my words but the words of a former EU Commission chief.
The current President of The EU, Jean Claude Junker, has openly stated that the ultimate goal of the EU is a politically and monetarily joined union of nations governed by a centralized government in Brussels. All current sovereign governments from The UK to Greece and from Italy to Spain and Germany would become merely ‘state legislatures’ or the equivalent.
Now.
I am aware that many at MMA believe Britain voting to leave the EU is a massive mistake.
No. It isn’t.
The consequences may be dire – or maybe not. The consequences may ultimately bring Britain into the biggest recession in it’s history – or it may not. Personally I haven’t got a crystal ball.
Frankly, even if the consequences do prove to be dire for Britain it will be worth it.
The very idea of being directly governed from Brussels is anathema to me and millions of Brits.
The United States of America is a collection of ‘states’ that have never been ‘independent’. Not unlike Britain’s counties. England’s Yorkshire is to America’s Texas for example. Mind you I think Texas thought it could be independent long ago but that’s Texas eh?
The EU want their own army. They don’t want Britain to have an army nor Holland nor Greece. They want an EU army and, I assume, navy and air force. They want Europe to be one empire.
They want to govern all of Europe as one nation. One people.
No more Britain, no more France, no more Belgium (what IS Belgium for incidentally? Chocolates perhaps?), no more Portugal.
Perhaps they can keep their names but certainly not any independence. They will become merely part of an amorphous empire known as The European Union – or what ever it would eventually be known as.
That is the ultimate goal of The EU – and they admit it.
I seem to recall someone who wanted to govern a European empire once. What was his name again? Oh yes! Adolph. That’s the chap.
Clearly the EU are nothing like the Nazis of Hitler but their ambitions regarding a European empire are terrifyingly similar. Their methods are certainly more peaceful mind you, so we should be thankful for small mercies I suppose.
I wonder whether the people of the USA have yet to quite grasp what Brexit is really about?
Yes, too much immigration.
Yes, too much EU impinging on our sovereignty.
Mainly though, it’s the fear we have that, like all the countries who will remain in The EU after Brexit, our nation would ultimately have succumbed to complete rule from a central European government.
We have enough trouble with our own politicians without having to worry about a load of Greeks and Germans and French etc as well!
British supporters of EU membership always seem strangely reluctant to discuss or even acknowledge the ultimate goal of The EU.
It may be that they like the idea of a United States of Europe. If so they probably realize that the majority of Brits don’t so better not mention it eh? Possibly they are naive enough to have not realized the EU’s ultimate goal.
Who knows? Well, perhaps they do but they aren’t saying.
So you see dear readers. All those who believe Britain’s vote to leave The EU is a disastrous mistake are wrong – unless you actually believe a United States of Europe is a good thing. If you do then fair enough. You’re nuts.
The Soviet Union was an eastern European empire. Not very good for those in it was it? For a short while, Nazi Germany had one. Wasn’t very good for those in it was it?
Historically there have been lots of empires from the Roman to the Ottoman and many more besides. None were very good for most of the people living in them. Historically empires are not good places to be – well, unless you’re the Emperor or at least on the right side of him or her.
Britain, of course, had an empire. Jolly nice place if you were British. Not so nice if you were a Bengali weaver having your thumbs cut off to prevent you making cheaper cotton goods than the mills of England.
Nice places empires eh? Not.
Junker wants a President of the EU to be not unlike the President of the USA. Not a great time to be using that comparison methinks 🙂
So, Britain voted for Brexit. Britain voted to want no part in being a part of a European empire.
Disastrous decision financially? Possibly. A decision to keep our nation The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland rather than a ‘state’ in the empire of The European Union? Definitely a good call regardless of the consequences.
Personally I am English first, British second and – well, that’s it really. European isn’t in my vocabulary. Those who love the idea of a United States of Europe can call me anything they like. I don’t care. I know what I want and I’m not afraid to say it.
Neither were millions of Brits and you know what? If the referendum was held tomorrow the percentage voting to leave would go up.
Britain never, never, never, will be slaves – of any empire.
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I’m with you Neil. I worked hard to get my vote out here in Florida. I voted to leave. I lived in Britain for over forty years. Unless you’ve experienced it you just don’t know it won’t know how annoying it is to have to answer to Brussels. And I voted No for Scottish independence. I’m British through and through and we need to stick together otherwise Britain will go down the tubes.
It’s like being a Freemason Graham. We know the secrets but they don’t 😃
It’s almost like they’re intelligent people standing on a railroad and not seeing a bloody great train coming at em from 50 yards.
Oh well. We can always say “Told yer so” a few years hence eh?
Cheers old bean 🍻
‘Bit’ should read ‘but’ and ‘the’ should read ‘that’…..
Bloody auto correct on my mobiley!! 😛
Children, Please play nice. Acknowledge that perfection does not exist in any form. There was a reason that EU was created but now some people in England have changed their minds. This creates a problem because if the is an economic blow to England then about half the people have now only imposed their political will on the other half but the have imposed the economic will as well. I have not read any studies, though I am sure there are some, to determine which economic group is going to benefit. There are the culprits because humans are notorious about trying to enhance their pocketbooks even if others will suffer. In American we call them Republicans.
I get your drift Bill bit this has nothing to do with genuine politics anymore whether right or left.
This is Britain saying no to the formation of an empire.
Laugh at that by all means but you won’t be inside a decade when it happens.
Not the a European ’empire’ will bother the USA mind you….it’ll bloody well bother me though
There are extremely serious consequences of leaving the single market and it hasn’t been explained to the British people. The impetus behind the vote was anti-immigration. The pro-Brexit crew had the people convinced swarms of immigrants would take over the nation if they remained with the EU. This is similar to how the NRA has the country convinced crime is rampant in America. Neither allegation is true, of course, but people can be like sheep.
These are very valid points Dave. However, this doesn’t address the EU ambitions.
Of course there are consequences to leaving and yes people were lied to – on both sides actually – but what of the United States of Europe?
There is no effort on the part of the EU to take over the continent, nor is there any intent to form a United States of Europe. This is Right Wing propaganda, and there is no truth to it, any more than there is truth to American nationalist’s claim that the United States is coming for their guns. With the advent of Trump, however, they no longer have such a fear as he is their friend. Fact is, you are reading nonsense Neil, and I really wish you would think about such nonsense before claiming it to be true. It just doesn’t make sense. Angela Merkel part of the US of Europe? France? Everyone else? Do you really think all of those countries would support that? How does it serve them? It doesn’t and Brexit doesn’t and won’t serve you. Sorry there Neil. Can’t agree with you this time. I’m with Dave, and pretty much everyone else here.
Fair enough.
Could you then please explain the statement of Jose Manuel Barroso in 2007? I don’t make up statements and his statement has nothing to do with right wing media. It is merely his statement.
He stated the EU was an empire in the making – I didn’t.
Could you please explain Junkers continual assertion that the ultimate goal of The EU is a Europe united under one government?
Perhaps I’m just misunderstanding the bleedin’ obvious?
I’m not making up these statements and neither are they ‘fake news’. They are genuine statements of intent – and I respect that.
I also hate the very idea.
Mind you, at least I’m aware of it….are you?
I don’t read nor listen to right wing media – nor left wing come to that.
I research and form a conclusion.
The leaders of The EU DO want a centralised EU government.
You don’t have to take my word for it.
Just research mate….then you’ll know the truth.
Michael John Scott you are spot on! Neil/Norman is very right wing but he likes to pretend otherwise. I’m a remainer, which will be no surprise to him, like half the people that voted (and it wasn’t the entire country anyway). If you heard some of the people who voted to leave you could definitely identify them with trump supporters! For a start they believed the lies they were told and contrary to what N/N says it’s looking like most people would vote remain if given the opportunity, excluding Sun, Daily Mail and Express readers of course.
Calm down dear.
1) 52 % voted Brexit.
2) Lies from both sides of the campaign.
3) I am right wing or left wing or neither depending on the issue.
Question.
As a ‘remainer’ what are your thoughts on the EU’s clear ambition for a ‘United Sates of Europe’?
I am genuinely interested.
Up the Eu glad we’re out of it. didnt need or want the bloody mess and you yanks dont know shite abut it.
Friend of yours old bean? Writes like a Trumper. Dumb as fucking rocks 🙂
Mike you’ve got to admit old Neil can write. He only sounds like a Trumper when he’s in his cups, which is most of the time, like me.
Oi! Less of the old!
I’ve absolutely no time for Trump – in my cups or otherwise. Man’s a lunatic.
😂😂😂
Succinctly put old bean – but please be nice to my chums. Ta ever so
Is it part of an international mood of discord and micro-nationalism energized by a former empire looking to re-establish itself?
Whoever said all politics is local was full of it. It’s just made to seem that way by much larger forces.
Correct old bean.
We’re tilting at windmills but we’ll never stop tilting!
I agree with Rachael. What you guys did, barely I might add, is going to cost you big money, and create all sorts of problems for you. As to your claims about an EU army, and etc., sorry don’t believe a word of it. No doubt you do though, because, like over here, there are a lot of Right Wing publications that love Trump and defend his every action. The more sober minded among us know him to be an idiot, just like your more sober minded folk believe breaking with the EU was idiotic. Sorry old bean. That’s the way I see it right or wrong.
Just Google it old bean. An EU army, an EU empire….it’s all there in plain sight.
The cost matters not. Our freedom as an independent democratic nation was at stake.
Any price is worth paying.
Just Googled to make sure I hadn’t lost what remains of my marbles.
EU army etc…all there
Ok. So there is an EU Army, and there should be. It’s a dangerous world. Now. Should the shit go down it will be the EU Army taking care of business at the borders. I did learn something today old bean but not something I find to be a bad thing especially when one reads the rationale for having their own army.
An EU empire. That’s a good thing????
An empire? How is it an empire? The US is a collection of 50 states, each with their own government, under the umbrella of the federal government because state governments are notoriously incompetent and corrupt. At least the conservative ones are. The EU is a collection of free and independent nations that can elect to leave if they wish, just like you did. I doubt any of the others will do something that stupid however, and I also doubt they will be invading the world anytime soon. As Mike said the “army” was created to protect the borders, not to start WWIII or take the bangers and mash away from your Brits.
Hear! Hear my friend. Glad to see you back. Neil won’t listen you know, because he’s a Right Winger. He is to Brexit what our Right Wingers are to Trump. We still love and appreciate the old boy but he’s far removed from a liberal, although he is an animal lover, I’ll give him that 🙂
I am listening – and excuse me! I have no political allegiance thank you very much – or, more accurately I suppose, I have multiple allegiances right, left and centre.
Seems to me nobody is quite getting my point.
The EU wish to have fully integrated Europe whilst many people from European countries do not.
Some do some do not. I’m with the ‘do not’s’ that’s all.
The EU’s ambition is to be an empire. A United States of Europe. US states aren’t countries so there is no comparison.
The EU is currently a collection of free and independent nations – it’s the ambition of the EU that is so alarming.
Each independent nations armies protect it’s borders. An EU army is just another step towards complete European integration.
Neil I’m no expert by any means, and I’ve no family living in the UK, but from what I’ve read the whole BREXIT thing was really stupid. Sorry. It’s only based on various analyses done by British experts that I’ve read.
There are lots of ‘experts’ for and against. Who knows who’s right?
What is certain is that we want no part of a European centralised government.
We value our freedom!