The Muslim Council of Britain

by Neil Bamforth

Yes. Before you start. I know. Here he goes again ‘Muslim bashing’. He’s a racist Nazi Islamophobe. I’ve heard it all before and I happen to know it’s bull.

I know myself better than anyone – well, apart from the wife. Can’t keep anything from the wife. Just as well I’ve been a faithful and loyal hubby for 33 years. If I hadn’t have been I’d be dead.

What would you expect from a five foot tall half Scottish quarter Irish feisty woman then? She did hit me on the head with a frying pan once. Perhaps that explains a lot? Anyway, I digress. Muslims are failing to adapt to the west.

How do I know?

Well, the so-called ‘Muslim Council of Britain’ for starters.

Firstly, why is there a ‘Muslim Council of Britain’?

It does bug me a bit that there is. Everyone wants equality and so on – well, sensible people do. Everyone wants everyone to rub along and not be segregated so what do British Muslims do? They start the ‘Muslim Council of Britain’. Only Muslims need apply.

It’s a bit like the ‘Black Police Officers Association’. What would be said if someone started the ‘White Police Officers Association’?

I know most of you lot will argue so let’s kick off, shall we?

If it is right to have the above then I’m starting a ‘Men Only’ club and women are banned. I’ll get my wife to start a ‘Women Only’ club where men are banned. Come to think of it I’ll get Maximus Spittimus to start a ‘Cats Only’ club where only cats are allowed.

Related: Why Uncontrolled Immigration is Destroying Britain’s Infrastructure

You see, it’s all fine and dandy to start these things – like the ‘Muslim Council of Britain – the premise is to support Muslims in Britain. The problem is, it excludes anyone who isn’t Muslim just as the ‘Black Police Officers Association’ might have a small issue with an applicant to join being, well, white.

It’s all very well to say “Yes, but minority groups need organisations like this to ensure they aren’t victimized and they get equal opportunities” and there is, of course, some truth in that.

The problem is, these organisations – often started with the best of intentions – end up exacerbating segregation. They often end up making the situation they aimed to resolve worse.

Sometimes this happens because the people who end up running the things are incapable of moderation. They force their views on the organisation and what started out with good intentions ends up undermining all the good intentions.

The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), for example,Β opposed the repeal of Section 28 on the grounds that presenting “homosexual practice as equivalent to marriage or in a morally neutral way is deeply offensive to Muslims” and that a repeal “undermines the institution of the family and will damage the fabric of our society”.

Whether they meant ‘our society’ in general or ‘their society’ remains a mystery.

MCB guidance for schools says that parents of Muslim children should be allowed to withdraw their children from school activities involving mixed swimming, dance, sex and relationship education, music, drama, and figurative drawing on religious grounds. On-farm visits, touching or feeding pigs should be prohibited. It also warns that pupils and parents may refuse to shake hands with the opposite sex during prize-giving ceremonies.

Excuse me MCB.

This is Britain. This is a western democracy in which you have chosen to live – or your parents did and you were born here.

Either way, you actually have no rights what so ever to state these things. More to the point, our government should be advising you that your children WILL participate in the education curriculum and that it is for YOU and YOUR faith to adapt to living here.

Related: The Continued Islamification of Great Britain

There is a reasonable alternative you know.

Leave.

Did you know that there is a ‘Muslim Parliament of Great Britain’? There is you know. A parliament?? Really?? You actually think that in a billion gazillion years we would EVER let you have any political authority over one tiny minuscule inch of our island?

So, the MCB opposed the repeal of Section 28. The repeal was purely to ensure that members of the LGBT community had equal rights with everyone else.

That is what we are dealing with here.

Organisations often began in good faith to help minorities becoming dangerous breeding grounds for extreme views that actually perpetuate the segregation of faiths and races.

So. I’m Muslim bashing am I?

Fine. You say that all you like.

Perhaps you could explain your stance to the LGBT community in Britain. I’m sure they would understand that my criticisms are racist, Nazi Islamophobic rants. I’m sure they would understand that saying anything bad about the Muslim Council of Britain wanting to deny them their rights as human beings makes me a right wing nut job.

Now there’s an odd thing. Me, a right-wing nut job, standing up for the LGBT community.

It’s a strange world ain’t it?

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57 Responses to The Muslim Council of Britain

  1. Bobbie Peel Reply

    January 29, 2018 at 8:54 am

    The tide is coming in Mr Bamforth, the tide is coming in. No matter long you protest, nature will have its way. How you and your comrades deal with it is the question. Suggesting certain minorities leave is one thing, them leaving is another. If you are an average British white guy, your country is in trouble.

    • Neil Bamforth Reply

      January 29, 2018 at 9:04 am

      Well at least you’re not calling me names! Makes a refreshing change πŸ˜€

      • Bobbie Peel Reply

        January 29, 2018 at 9:28 am

        You called yourself plenty of names in the first paragraph. You have two options, submit and and accept that the 87% white population of Britain is being overrun, or take up arms against your sea of troubles. To be or not to be Mr Bamforth, your choice. If you choose the first option, perhaps you might be happier. The second option would give you sleepless nights and an early demise.

        • Neil Bamforth Reply

          January 29, 2018 at 11:14 am

          Only certain areas of a few towns and cities are overrun.

          Areas with high numbers of other ethnic groups rather than Muslim – whilst sometimes having their own issues – are rarely a problem as such.

          Unfortunately it is specifically a sizeable minority – hopefully a minority sizeable or not – of Muslims who are failing to grasp that neither their faith nor their cultural beliefs can ever prevail in Britain.

          I suspect our LBGT citizens would wholeheartedly agree.

  2. Michael John Scott Reply

    January 29, 2018 at 9:21 am

    Once in a while, I find myself agreeing with you Neil, and this is one of those “once in a while’s.” Discrimination takes all kinds of forms, and often the minority finds itself the offender as opposed to the offended.

  3. jess Reply

    January 29, 2018 at 9:37 am

    I’m leaving my oh for fuck’s sake Neil, right here as a placeholder for now till I am more awake but BOY OH BOY do I have some counterpointing to this after a more thorough read and digesting of it all. You knew that though, so no one is shocked.

    • Michael John Scott Reply

      January 29, 2018 at 9:54 am

      I knew it. Jess is not happy. Fire and fury isn’t just a book there Neil, and, because I half-ass agreed with you I’m fcked as well.

      • jess Reply

        January 29, 2018 at 10:17 am

        Almost all the way awake and knuckles are being cracked as I type this. Have to go take the dogs for a few minutes walk so they can do their business but I am primed and although not fat, I’ve started my song singing πŸ™‚

        • Neil Bamforth Reply

          January 29, 2018 at 11:15 am

          Uh-oh πŸ˜€

          • jess Reply

            January 29, 2018 at 11:21 am

            I was respectful, I think πŸ™‚

            • Neil Bamforth Reply

              January 29, 2018 at 3:34 pm

              You always are 😘

  4. jess Reply

    January 29, 2018 at 11:18 am

    ****Warning, disclaimer, etc etc and so on also too Katie, this is going to be as long as War and Peace but Neil deserves my respect to have the thought put behind it, so bear with me. Knuckles cracked, singing along with Pharell and Daft Punk jess gets right down to it.

    Yeah everyone wants equality Neil and they have every single right to ask for, no DEMAND, equal treatment. This Muslim council, group, org does it have as a rule “Only Muslims need apply” or are you just projecting your own thoughts on that without talking to any of them? Reason I ask, we have lots of different groups for different things here locally and nationwide, Muslim included, and they make it a point of welcoming everyone and encouraging people to come see what they are all about.
    You said “it’s like the black police officer association”. What would be said if we had a white POA. Jeebus Neil, white police officer associations have been around for forever and no one mumbled word one about that. Have a Black, Hispanic, female, lgbt POA start and now all of a sudden whitey mcwhiterton is scared that the discrimination that went one way for so long will turn around and bite them on their asses, HAS NOT HAPPENED. It’s like people here, after Black Lives Matter started out, thinking why do only black lives matter, ALL LIVES MATTER etc. The reason BLM started in the first place is engrained, institutionalized racism that needs to be sent to the garbage can of history. It is not that Black, Muslim (insert any group here) matters more, it’s the fact for centuries black,brown, others have been put on the back burner till it’s an appropriate time and that appropriate time never seems to get here, it’s always “too soon” to speak of these things.
    Dude, there are plenty of men only clubs, join one or if not go ahead start your own if that floats your boat, no one will say anything, I could put money on it. Same with women’s groups, there are plenty of those too and I do believe in your own little country, thanks to watching Calendar Girls, there is a dedicated Women’s Institute and no one said anything about that group being all women did they?
    You said they exclude people, and I looked before I sat down to reply to you, I cannot find any evidence of them excluding anyone. Just because you (generic) say things does not make them true, except in your own head.
    Minority groups joining together do need these things to ensure no victimization Neil, they do and for you to say “there might be SOME truth in that” is pure bullshit to me. There is ALL the truth in that. All the truth.
    I believe with my whole being that the people screaming about, if we have this one group over here fighting for the rights of (insert minority group here) my rights will be threatened, they are scared, yes scared that if one group gets any one right or another somehow theirs will be taken away. That is not how it works, not how any of it works at all. People, just like you and I, want to go through this one life we all get, unmolested by bigotry, hatred, exclusion etc and be accepted for who and what they are. Just because I may get one right does not mean it will be taken from another

    Flame away. I’m ready but just a warning, I woke up in a mood this morning a very bad one, missing my husband, and I am not going to play with a certain person. Your twatwaffle self will not be put up with today.

    • Neil Bamforth Reply

      January 29, 2018 at 3:33 pm

      Go check out the Muslim Council of Britain.

      Whether I’ve used a bad example with the ‘Black Police Officers Association’ or not, in Blighty at least, there isn’t and has never been a white police officers association.

      I used it to show sometimes organisations with good intentions often cause more division than there was to begin with.

      As for the MCB…just check em out.

      If they weren’t Muslim Trump would love em.

      Lots of love and hugs by the way – which is far more important than anything else xxx

      • jess Reply

        January 29, 2018 at 4:06 pm

        I did check them out before I replied to you, I said that. Their about us page says right there, that they are there to encourage and strengthen policies that already in place for Muslims, it also says, paraphrasing here, they want society at large to know what they are all about and encourage that, to foster better community relations as a whole for all society in Britain. Part of their core principal is to use an Islamic ethos yes I get that I do and the same can be said for Christian groups that use their Christian ethos as their core principal, Judaism does the same for the Jewish population and on and on. They also have a part that says, they are accepting of all people across the cultural, political spectrum in their volunteers. They just want what every minority group wants, to be included in society and to make it better. Are there extremists in that group, of that I have no doubt just like there are in Xian groups, Hindu groups, Jewish groups etc. My advice to you and you do not need to take it at all, go to a mosque or Muslim group in your area, talk to them, start a dialog and you will see, they are just like you and I in wanting to make the world a better place. Thx for the love, I am missing my hubby terribly today and am beyond pissed he was taken so young. FUCK CANCER sideways with a rusty chainsaw ALWAYS.

        • Neil Bamforth Reply

          January 30, 2018 at 6:06 am

          I have spoken to some local Muslims.

          Some I’ve taught to drive, some I meet dog walking, two play walking football with me.

          The majority I’ve spoken to believe their faith supersedes British, or indeed, western laws, if such laws are incompatible with their faith.

          I’m not aware Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, Christians etc et al have any major issues or, at least, insurmountable issues with British law.

          At least they accept that British law will have to be accepted over their faith should there be any issues.

          Unless they want to be arrested if it’s a serious enough thing.

          It is only a significant number of Muslims who seem to have difficulty accepting the west won’t change for them.

          Bobbie pointed out that the percentage of Muslims in Britain is small.

          It is but it’s growing alarmingly swiftly.

          The most popular newborn male name in Britain over the last few years is Mohammed.

          This is an issue we have to meet head on. Our government have to state loudly that nobody’s faith or culture will ever take precedence over British law.

          Common sense can still be used such as Sikhs being exempt from crash helmet wearing as they wear turbans.

          After all, it’s their risk and isn’t intrusive on anyone else.

      • jess Reply

        January 29, 2018 at 4:32 pm

        I forgot about the POA deal. There was not one in place maybe initially, probably because the majority of the police were white males right, so why have a white POA group, when a group already exists by make up of the job being mostly white males. That is common sense. When a minority is the first at something and more join, it would make sense to have a group to strengthen what has started. It’s like that soccer player you mentioned last week being the first or Obama being the first, Jackie Robinson being the first, Hillary Clinton being the first. Strengthen the firsts and more will come out of it behind them. Think of it this way, there was a time and places if you were gay and in some places still are, you were relegated to second class citizen but because they started coming out to friends, neighbors society as a whole, there is more acceptance, same thing goes for (any minority inserted here). We all used to be second class citizens, in some places, including here now in USA for certain groups, we have been put on the back burner but people are rising up to say, no more we WILL be included and you will hear us. This is what is upsetting to some people, the fact that the underdog is rising up and saying no more is putting the fear of whatever into the majority because they think those of us that were excluded will take their rights and do to them what has been done to us. That is not the case at all and I can only speak for myself here, I just want to be treated as an equal and accepted for who I am as a half breed minority female and nothing else.

    • Michael John Scott Reply

      January 29, 2018 at 7:08 pm

      I’ve some strong opinions about some chapters of BLM, but I don’t think I’ll share them tonight. Busy watching a really good show on TeeVee. A Brit cop show as it turns out, and I can’t pull myself away πŸ™‚

      • jess Reply

        January 29, 2018 at 7:20 pm

        Ooooh what is it? I might like it.

        • Michael John Scott Reply

          January 30, 2018 at 10:18 am

          Scott&Bailey on BritBox. I’m binging it nightly. Check it out.

          • jess Reply

            January 30, 2018 at 11:25 am

            Already watched it and loved it. I love Suranne Jones, Doctor Foster. Fun fact because of Neil Gaiman(who is a god) she was cast as the TARDIS incarnate for Doctor Who. Right now, and don’t you laugh, my girlfriend over there has me hooked on Emmerdale Farm a soap opera and I don’t typically watch soaps. I subscribed to Brit Box a while back for when she comes, so she can keep up with her soaps like Eastenders and Emeerdale. it’s all drama all the time at the farming community.

            • Michael John Scott Reply

              January 30, 2018 at 12:23 pm

              I will definitely check out Emmerdale Farms.

              • jess Reply

                January 30, 2018 at 12:41 pm

                Don’t I beg of you don’t. It will suck you into the void and you will have to watch it every single day for the newest episode, to see how Debbie Dingle is going to go after Tom/Joe whatever his name is today because he loves her/he does not and screwed over her family but she might still like him/maybe not and how will Moira tell the Barton boys she is the one that killed their mother, instead of her son who ran away to avoid prison so his mom could be saved to watch her baby that could have come from any one of two men but tests showed it was the one man she already been with and dumped. Or dun dun dun… will Rebecca survive the crash that killed her dad and sister due to her nephew being a spoiled little asshole. It’s drama and horror all in a 22 minute daily brand new episode. I am ashamed of myself for getting caught up in the drama and I have told my friend I hate her so very much because of it. She just laughs at me and says thanks for getting it, so I can watch while I am there. I quote her here because I just looked at the email, I cannae miss the stories, they give me life.

                • Neil Bamforth Reply

                  January 30, 2018 at 2:37 pm

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                  • jess Reply

                    January 30, 2018 at 3:28 pm

                    Oh you can laugh Mr Bamforth but my life is forever changed and not for the best because of Emmerdale, I will have you know. It’s like mind crack, you have to have the next hit of it.

                    • Neil Bamforth

                      January 30, 2018 at 3:36 pm

                      My old chum Patsy Kensit of Lethal Weapon / Absolute Beginners fame (along with being Mrs Jim Kerr / Dan Donovan / Liam Gallagher) was in Emmerdale yonks back.

                      Her character got shot.

                      Quite right too πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

            • Neil Bamforth Reply

              January 30, 2018 at 2:40 pm

              Emmerdale hasn’t been Emmerdale Farm forever!….either way it’s not great.

              Mind you it does have good viewer figures.

              This is a worry πŸ˜€

    • Timmy Mahoney Reply

      January 29, 2018 at 7:31 pm

      Black Lives love to hate and incite violence. Some are well intentioned and others are terrorists.

      • jess Reply

        January 29, 2018 at 7:41 pm

        Like I said, extremists in every group, no matter the group.

  5. Cherries Reply

    January 29, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    Love ‘twatwaffle’ Jess, think you’ve got Norman/Neil bang to rights. He tries to make out he’s not racist but all he ever comments on proves otherwise.
    We don’t all think like him in’Blighty’ you know. He’s the minority thank goodness although like in your country there are a lot of them sadly.

    • jess Reply

      January 29, 2018 at 5:55 pm

      He can learn Cherries, he can learn and I do know it’s a minority like here but they seem to get all the press because of the noise they make, hey look at me look at me type screaming to draw attention. I managed last week to get his head wrapped around Iceland not forcing abortion on women the way he thought it was by producing evidence, so I know his mind can be opened and I know he is open to listening. He really is one of the people I truly enjoy going back and forth with here and I have for many years, even on other sites he and I went to. Yer welcome for the twatwaffle, Mike likes it also, so it will be used often because I like using it for all manner of things πŸ™‚

      • Caroline Taylor Reply

        January 29, 2018 at 7:35 pm

        Neil learn? I dunno Jess. I dunno. Cherries is right he talks a lot about Muslims and much of it isn’t nice. Ah well. He can’t help himself.

        • jess Reply

          January 29, 2018 at 7:44 pm

          I’m using my example of providing him evidence last week, that changed his mind and he learned something. Will it happen all the time, maybe not but there will be times.

          • Neil Bamforth Reply

            January 30, 2018 at 6:11 am

            I will always listen. Especially to you.

            • jess Reply

              January 30, 2018 at 9:18 am

              You told me a few times I remind you of your daughter that’s why. I have no doubts you listen to her too πŸ™‚

              • Neil Bamforth Reply

                January 30, 2018 at 3:37 pm

                Yes & yes 😘

        • Neil Bamforth Reply

          January 31, 2018 at 6:28 am

          Maybe so but, you tell me Caroline. Should we remain silent when Muslims object to equality for LGBT people?

    • Neil Bamforth Reply

      January 30, 2018 at 4:50 am

      Did you actually read the article? If so, what are your views on the MCB’s stance on Section 28?

      LGBT people would love to know.

    • Neil Bamforth Reply

      January 30, 2018 at 6:09 am

      If we can move on from name calling briefly.

      What is your view on the MCB view regarding LGBT people?

      • jess Reply

        January 30, 2018 at 8:49 am

        I don’t know if you were asking me but I will put my two cents in regardless πŸ™‚

        …The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), for example, opposed the repeal of Section 28 on the grounds that presenting β€œhomosexual practice as equivalent to marriage or in a morally neutral way is deeply offensive to Muslims” and that a repeal β€œundermines the institution of the family and will damage the fabric of our society”…

        Let me change it just a teeny tiny bit and you will see what I mean about extremist Xians doing basically the same thing if you would indulge me.

        The Tony Perkin’s led focus on the family, Brian Brown from NOM, opposed LGBT law #eleventy million regarding same sex marriage, saying gay marriage is offensive to society because marriage is between one man and one woman as god intended. It undermines society if we allow people to go into gay marriages and pretty soon everyone will want to marry their lawnmower or television. Now is that exactly what Tony Perkins from Focus on the Family said, no, but with others from the Xianists groups he was right there, with similar words condemning the LGBT community the way these idiots are. Marriage is marriage, is marriage, there is no gay, straight or whatever about it, it is a contract basically between two people that the church sometimes has a hand in doing ceremonies. If I go with gay friends for lunch, I’m not having a gay lunch I am just having lunch.

      • Michael John Scott Reply

        January 30, 2018 at 10:25 am

        That’s actually a good question Neil, however, Cherries is not bound to respond of course.

  6. Michael John Scott Reply

    January 29, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    “POA?” Police Officers Association? Never heard of it, although I have heard of the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP), the largest non-union police organization in the country. They do not discriminate, and all are welcome. You are right that people of color are minorities in law enforcement primarily because they are minorities population wise. There are still relatively few women but it’s because few women are drawn to the profession. That being said I do so love “twatwaffle.” As a matter of fact, I ran into one today at work, and I remarked to a colleague “what a twatwaffle!” He laughed until he cried, then asked how it was spelled. LOL.

    • jess Reply

      January 29, 2018 at 7:19 pm

      Neil called it police officer assoc and I just repeated it, had no idea it was called something else Mike. Long live the twatwaffle and may it be used many times and in many different contexts πŸ˜‰ Now your colleague will use it and spread it like horseshit and they’ll tell a friend and they’ll tell a friend, like that old shampoo commercial I have seen used in more than one meme.

      • Michael John Scott Reply

        January 29, 2018 at 10:18 pm

        Tomorrow I’ll find a reason to use in front of 50 eager university students. On Thursday 50 more. Now THAT will spread it and you will be responsible for starting a new word.

        • jess Reply

          January 29, 2018 at 11:35 pm

          Ah, but it is not a new word at all Mike, it’s just new to you. Be careful who you use it in front of though, I don’t want you getting in any trouble for introducing filth and potty mouthedness to young minds. I have been told I have a potty mouth by you know who down there. I shall carry the shame my whole life. Sorry, not sorry,

          • Michael John Scott Reply

            January 30, 2018 at 10:27 am

            No worries. I tell my students on Day One that I cuss, and that’s the way it is. They love it when I say FUCK, so ‘twatwaffle’ will be a huge hit. I’ll let you know.

  7. M Bates Reply

    January 29, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    Jess, I just googled twatwaffle, I was thinking it might be something humorous, but it wasn’t, far from it. Thankfully Neil does not have your potty mouth.

    • jess Reply

      January 29, 2018 at 8:55 pm

      Ya basic! Now let me introduce you to St Felicia, patron saint of farewells.

      • Neil Bamforth Reply

        January 30, 2018 at 2:34 am

        I don’t have a potty mouth so ner ner me ner ner πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

        • jess Reply

          January 30, 2018 at 8:54 am

          Yeah I know, I do and I’m good with using it. H/she is very lucky I have been benevolent and not said half the things I could have said out of respect of the other readers here πŸ™‚

      • Michael John Scott Reply

        January 30, 2018 at 10:28 am

        LOL! LOL!! Patron saint of farewells.

        • jess Reply

          January 30, 2018 at 11:28 am

          You get me, you KNOW exactly what I am talking about, even if you are an old dontcha πŸ˜‰

  8. M Bates Reply

    January 30, 2018 at 11:04 am

    Well Jess, let me introduce you to St Hunna, the patron saint of washerwomen, because you need your mouth washed out with soap.

    • Neil Bamforth Reply

      January 30, 2018 at 11:16 am

      Oi!! You leave Jess alone! She’s my adopted daughter n nobody goes for her.

      Clear?

      • M Bates Reply

        January 30, 2018 at 11:41 am

        Clear Neil. Very clear. I see she’s turned you against me.

        • jess Reply

          January 30, 2018 at 11:46 am

          The fact that you had to actually go look up a proper saint and have no idea who St Felicia of the farewells is, tells me all I need to know about you. Thirsty bitch is thirsty. Now go look THAT up.

        • Neil Bamforth Reply

          January 30, 2018 at 12:15 pm

          Not at all. Nobody goes for Jess. Not just you. Nobody. That’s all.

    • jess Reply

      January 30, 2018 at 11:31 am

      Oh honey, this is NOT going to end well for you at all coming at me like you have a chance.

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