There Is COVID-19 Confusion In the UK
The official statistics record that over 45,000 people have died of Covid-19 in the UK. That, on the face of it, sounds pretty appalling. However, it is becoming increasingly clear that the official figures may well have been manipulated to show a higher mortality rate than is actually the case.
Quite why such manipulation would occur remains a mystery to date, but certainly, the claims are being investigated.
It is, of course, more than possible, given it is a new virus, those wrong decisions were made accidentally, with hindsight, as to what method of recording should be used.
As far back as May 22nd, the issue was raised by Daniel McCrossan, a member of the Northern Ireland Assembly.
“In recent weeks families in my constituency and throughout the Western Trust have lost loved ones to various illnesses: cancer, heart disease and others not related to COVID-19 and with no symptoms of such. However, when it came to the death certificate, it outlined COVID-19 as the cause of death. The Minister will know that will cause great distress to many families. They would argue that that is entirely incorrect, because there was no test to suggest such or, in the event of such a test, it tested negative. Is the Minister aware that that is happening? Will he explain why it happens and say whether an instruction is coming from his Department to the medical professionals who are doing that?” asked the West Tyrone MLA.
Professor Karol Sikora, a former Chief of The World Health Organisation (WHO), claims that doctors in the UK may have marked the virus as the cause of death on certificates if there was “any hint” that COVID played a part, even if the actual cause of death was something else entirely.
Professor Sikora also claims that the real death toll could actually be between 20,000 and 30,000. Still terrible, but far nearer to the government’s hopeful ambition of 20,000 at the beginning of the pandemic.
Public Health England, for example, admits that it counts people who have died and tested positive for the virus, therefore COvid-19 will appear on their death certificates as, at least, a contributing factor.
This isn’t exactly the same as “deaths from coronavirus” as the small print says: “Deaths of people who have had a positive test for COVID-19 could in some cases be due to a different cause.”
Public Health England has also admitted that, once someone has tested positive for Covid-19, but does not require hospitalization, they track them and, should they die at some point, their deaths are attributed to Covid-19, at least in part.
They declined to answer when one journalist asked them whether that included somebody who had tested positive getting run over by a bus and, ‘would their death certificate still include Covid-19?’
So. How has the UK fared during the pandemic?
Well. Unless we get a second wave – and some are questioning whether it was the second wave we have just gone through, given the unusually increased cases of ‘influenza-like’ symptoms many suffered at the end of 2019 – it is, at the moment, impossible to say.
If Professor Sikora is correct, and the fatalities are actually between 20,000 and 30,000, then we got off remarkably lightly, all things considered.
If he is wrong, then the toll of 45,000 plus is a heavy one, albeit not as heavy as many feared.
A good friend of mine has a son who is a doctor in a hospital. Interestingly, my friend’s son has said, on more than one occasion, “I’ve seen death certificates saying COVID-19, even without testing, when they clearly died simply of old age.”
I’m not aware that anybody thinks anything intentionally underhand has been occurring. It’s more likely, according to my friend’s doctor son, that the doctors signing the death certificates are simply ‘covering their asses’ – fearful, in the current climate, of not mentioning COVID-19, only to find it did play a part if a test is carried out they weren’t aware would be after somebodies death.
The pandemic is still here in the UK. Leicester suffered a local ‘lockdown’ recently, and other towns are being carefully monitored as cases occasionally arise, but, on the whole, the trend is very much downwards so, it is hoped we are very much past the worst.
The question is, will we ever know the true figures for COVID-19 deaths in the UK? Especially if people testing positive, but not requiring hospitalization, get run over by a bus?
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Steve : over here in Blighty, the question is, have people died of something else but had Covid-19 put on their death certificates as a ‘cover all’.
The question has been asked at ministerial level, so there is clearly much doubt at the moment.
Linda : precisely. Could a mild dose of Covid-19 cause a heart attack? No idea. If yes, then it’s a contributory factor. If not it isn’t.
It’s naive to expect 100% accuracy certainly, but a mild dose not requiring hospitalization followed by getting hit by a bus should not have Covid-19 on the death certificate.
Cherries / Holte : Death certificates can have more than one cause of death. If the cause is clearly, or at least primarily, Covid-19, then that is the cause.
However, if somebody dies of another cause after having been diagnosed as Covid-19 positive – pre or post mortem – Covid-19 is being stated as the cause of death.
Bizarre if their ‘dose’ was mild.
Trump? What’s he got to do with UK figures? You’re obsessed.
Doubt has been cast on the method of recording. I want accurate figures. That is all. Don’t you?
Covid-19 can cause heart attacks, strokes, kidney failure, blood clotting, and pneumonia. When the underlying cause is Covid-19, it seems like a reasonable diagnosis. Now, to muddy the waters, what if someone with Covid-19 is suffering from dementia or delusions due to the disease and wanders into the street, to be killed by a bus?
I do think hospitals would prefer not to show COVID as the primary cause of death, so they reach for the secondary cause. I think this sort of ‘cheating’ is suggested by the CDC which is run by Trump. There’s no truth these days.
Well said Cherries. Why would any physician submit a cause of death that is false. I also agree it’s a Trump like claim, prompted by Prime Minister Johnson and his worshippers, to make the shocking numbers look better. He’s a lying toad with no conscience.
I’m not sure that’s the general view! I don’t think a doctor would put Covid-19 on a death certificate if they died of something else? Why would they?
I’ve not heard anything about falsifying the figures?? Bit trumpy? Of course it would suit Johnson and his followers if it was true especially as he’s blamed for locking down too late and causing more deaths than there would have been had we locked down even a week earlier. Also for his misleading conflicting messages from the start.
Public Health England now admit they checked all deaths – cancer, heart attack, hit by a bus etc et al – against the NHS database.
Anyone who had ever tested positive for Covid-19 – even with the mildest symptoms – had Covid-19 on their death certificate.
PHE are meant to be apolitical. Whoever is responsible for this should be arrested and charged with falsifying the death toll figures.
Makes sense. I know we just had a very close friend of our family die due to AIDS complications but his death was ruled as pneumonia on the death certificate. Sometimes things just run together and you cannot determine what takes you on that last journey to the long dirt nap. Like the rents for me, mom had a stroke but her dc showed aneursyms (sp) burst, dad died from surgery complications but his death was ruled massive heart attack. Guess it just boils down the what the treating doc thinks.
You should be thankful you don’t have 50 little governments, each with their own agenda, to try and corral. It’s like herding cats you know.
I can imagine mate…I’ve been following things over there…my genuine deepest sympathies!!!!
We have the same ‘death count’ turmoil over here, except we have issues in several states, all Republican of course as they think the higher the numbers the worst it looks for their idiotic boss.
It’s crazy mate. Either you died of Covid-19 – or, at the very least, your death is genuinely because of it, even if it caused some other thing to kill you, or it didn’t.
We’ve had deaths over here listed as Covid-19 when they had a heart attack or terminal cancer….madness!!!
Well, at least this is not about racism. How are your cats doing, Neil.
Absolutely fine old bean…including Stealthy The Stealth Bomber who’s just turned 23!!!