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Cherries
3 years ago

These arguments are rather convoluted and I don’t understand them. I just see a handcuffed helpless man on the ground with a policeman kneeling on his neck until he couldn’t breathe resulting in his death.

Bill Formby
3 years ago

Glenn, In response to your initial question the handyman would be charged with murder under the felony murder rule. That rule holds that if a person initiates a felony and during that felony someone dies, the perpetrator can be found guilty of murder. This applies even if the person who dies is a co-defendant in the crime. For example, if A and B jointly are robbing a store and B is killed by the police, A can be charged with his death. If the person being robbed dies of a heart attack, A can be charged under the felony murder rule. In most states, the only requirement is that the death occurs during the commission of a felony or in the process of escaping even if the perpetrator does not actually kill the victim.

Reply to  Bill Formby
3 years ago

You said it much better than I did. I tend to get tied up in minutiae.

3 years ago

Just a question – I was once called to be on a jury where the victim’s former handyman pulled a gun on him and demanded money. The man was in his 80s and had a heart condition. He had a heart attack and died. Was that murder?

No, I don’t know how it came out – I was excused because I knew the victim.

Reply to  Glenn Geist
3 years ago

Any secondary action or result, stemming from one primary action can be a contributing factor (contributing or aiding an activity or process). The fact is the handyman, however, was in the process of committing a crime at the time of the event, and it’s likely a contributing cause to the event itself. Given these facts, the handyman could indeed be charged with murder. This is unlike the Chauvin case, as he was not committing a crime at the time of Floyd’s death, at least not consciously, so Floyd’s death, while likely the result of Chauvin’s actions, did not happen during the commission of a crime, but could be considered reckless endangerment, or manslaughter. And yes, I know that is arguable which is why the argument is taking place in Carver County, Minnesota. I hope I didn’t go too far into the weeds here, but the deciding factor is “crime.” The handyman was committing a felony at the time of the victim’s death, whereas Derek Chauvin was acting under color of authority, without intent, or so the defense will argue.

Bill Formby
3 years ago

That seems to be a contribution to death among African American males.

Reply to  Bill Formby
3 years ago

Well, in reality far, far more white people are killed at the hands of police, even taking into consideration the population differences.

Reply to  Professor Mike
3 years ago

Do we see things as they are or as we’re directed to by self-appointed groups? All lives matter as much as all other lives.

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